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Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Oct 2 @ 1:11 PM ET
Point is:
For this type of player, who can score 30 goals per season, 7 million per will become (or already is) the norm.

His agent had good numbers to work with and found him a good payday.
Besides, Ottawa has plenty of capspace so who cares if some may think Ryan is overpaid.

And yes, I would take Kessel over Ryan.







Kessel was the best forward at the Olympics before the medals round started.
- Pecafan Fan



Feasted on lower tier teams.

Kessel also decided he’s not the competitive type, and would take the overpayment to stay in toronto where there is no expectation to win, by management. Good for him, he got his payday.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Oct 2 @ 1:46 PM ET
Feasted on lower tier teams.

Kessel also decided he’s not the competitive type, and would take the overpayment to stay in toronto where there is no expectation to win, by management. Good for him, he got his payday.
- Doppleganger

Seeing as Ryan just got overpaid by Ottawa, don't you think the exact same thing could be said about him?

Especially given the budget constraints... Situation is looking worse than ever Ottawa.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Oct 2 @ 1:47 PM ET
Seeing as Ryan just got overpaid by Ottawa, don't you think the exact same thing could be said about him?

Especially given the budget constraints... Situation is looking worse than ever Ottawa.
- Feeling Glucky?


you should do some back reading
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Oct 2 @ 1:54 PM ET
you should do some back reading
- Pecafan Fan

Reading through the thread once is enough, don't want to risk the brain damage.


Just look what happened to dopps.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Oct 2 @ 1:56 PM ET
Seeing as Ryan just got overpaid by Ottawa, don't you think the exact same thing could be said about him?

Especially given the budget constraints... Situation is looking worse than ever Ottawa.
- Feeling Glucky?



Ottawa has signed all but one of their pending UFAs they publicly said they were going to, prior to this start of this season.

They cut ties with Spezza by trading him and Karlsson, for a number of assets from Dallas.

Brought in a Veteran Center and are starting to bring into the roster a few of their prospects.

All systems are moving forward, don't know what you're seeing as "worse".
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Oct 2 @ 2:06 PM ET
Ottawa has signed all but one of their pending UFAs they publicly said they were going to, prior to this start of this season.

They cut ties with Spezza by trading him and Karlsson, for a number of assets from Dallas.

Brought in a Veteran Center and are starting to bring into the roster a few of their prospects.

All systems are moving forward, don't know what you're seeing as "worse".
- Doppleganger

Center depth isn't worse, I'll give you that. It's the worst.

Limited budget team and they blew a chunk of it on Ryan... and traded far and away their best center, possibly best forward to do it. Trading away their best pieces, making sure they stay competitive enough to draw asses to the seats... I think the ghost of Ballard possessed Eugene.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Oct 2 @ 3:30 PM ET
Center depth isn't worse, I'll give you that. It's the worst.

Limited budget team and they blew a chunk of it on Ryan... and traded far and away their best center, possibly best forward to do it. Trading away their best pieces, making sure they stay competitive enough to draw asses to the seats... I think the ghost of Ballard possessed Eugene.
- Feeling Glucky?




Are you saying that Ballard tried to ice competitive teams??

Wasn't one of his most famous quotes something like " Doesn't matter if I have a team of bums on the ice, as long as there's bums in all the seats"?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Oct 2 @ 5:08 PM ET
Are you saying that Ballard tried to ice competitive teams??

Wasn't one of his most famous quotes something like " Doesn't matter if I have a team of bums on the ice, as long as there's bums in all the seats"?
- Doppleganger

They were always competitive enough to draw interest. That's all Eugene's looking for.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007
Oct 2 @ 5:29 PM ET
I'm not a big fan of the Ryan trade. Don't like those kind of deals. But it strikes me as entirely bizarre when Leaf fans become sanctimonious over a $7m deal for Ryan. Re ber the Leafs just started a $7m with Phaneuf. Unbelievable. And, $8 m. for the world's fastest donut.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Oct 2 @ 5:38 PM ET
I'm not a big fan of the Ryan trade. Don't like those kind of deals. But it strikes me as entirely bizarre when Leaf fans become sanctimonious over a $7m deal for Ryan. Re ber the Leafs just started a $7m with Phaneuf. Unbelievable. And, $8 m. for the world's fastest donut.
- spatso

yes. The Leafs payed an mil more for a far superior player, and an equal amount for a #1 d-man.

The Sens dumped their best forward so they could resign a good top-6 winger to a 7M contract.

It'd have made a lot more sense if you brought up the Clarkson deal.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Oct 2 @ 5:55 PM ET
I'm not a big fan of the Ryan trade. Don't like those kind of deals. But it strikes me as entirely bizarre when Leaf fans become sanctimonious over a $7m deal for Ryan. Re ber the Leafs just started a $7m with Phaneuf. Unbelievable. And, $8 m. for the world's fastest donut.
- spatso


doughnut......
Mr_Squeaks
Ottawa Senators
Location: Location: Location: Glitch in
Joined: 06.26.2006
Oct 2 @ 10:04 PM ET
5:55. Kessel's would be 8 minutes long.
- prock


Cuz it takes him so long to score?

And while I'm aware that dig makes no sense, I stand by it because hockey.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007
Oct 2 @ 11:34 PM ET
Cuz it takes him so long to score?

And while I'm aware that dig makes no sense, I stand by it because hockey.
- Mr_Squeaks


60% of the goals for bobby Ryan.

Kessel buries them faster. If you do the math, that's faster per goal for kessel still.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Oct 3 @ 7:20 AM ET
the world's fastest donut
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Oct 3 @ 10:12 AM ET
I'm not a big fan of the Ryan trade. Don't like those kind of deals. But it strikes me as entirely bizarre when Leaf fans become sanctimonious over a $7m deal for Ryan. Re ber the Leafs just started a $7m with Phaneuf. Unbelievable. And, $8 m. for the world's fastest donut.
- spatso


Is this another Kessel is fat jab?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Oct 3 @ 10:18 AM ET
Is this another Kessel is fat jab?
- senstroll

Yes. Ignore the facts that he can out skate anyone on the sens, and that he hasnt missed a game since he started playing for the Leafs. The guy that might out produce just about any two forwards on the Senators this coming season should be mocked because he's got a chubby face.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Oct 3 @ 10:19 AM ET
Yes. Ignore the facts that he can out skate anyone on the sens, and that he hasnt missed a game since he started playing for the Leafs. The guy that might out produce just about any two forwards on the Senators this coming season should be mocked because he's got a chubby face.
- Feeling Glucky?


Erik Karlsson disagrees.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Oct 3 @ 10:25 AM ET
Yes. Ignore the facts that he can out skate anyone on the sens, and that he hasnt missed a game since he started playing for the Leafs. The guy that might out produce just about any two forwards on the Senators this coming season should be mocked because he's got a chubby face.
- Feeling Glucky?


these cheap shots at him are very lowbrow and lazy imo
you cant criticize what he is paid to do because he is one of the best so you make fun of his look or personality. He is clearly an introvert and does not like attention, doesnt look like a pro athlete..so what?

Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Oct 3 @ 10:28 AM ET
these cheap shots at him are very lowbrow and lazy imo
you cant criticize what he is paid to do because he is one of the best so you make fun of his look or personality. He is clearly an introvert and does not like attention, doesnt look like a pro athlete..so what?
- senstroll


Kinda like Leafs fans making fun of Alfredsson a few years back, calling him Crusty the clown.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Oct 3 @ 10:29 AM ET
Erik Karlsson disagrees.
- Pecafan Fan

Karlsson saves his energy by only skating in two zones, so he doesn't count.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Oct 3 @ 10:32 AM ET
Karlsson saves his energy by only skating in two zones, so he doesn't count.
- Feeling Glucky?


yeah, so does Kessel.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Oct 3 @ 10:32 AM ET
Kinda like Leafs fans making fun of Alfredsson a few years back, calling him Crusty the clown.
- Pecafan Fan


Blame Don Cherry for that
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Oct 3 @ 10:36 AM ET
yeah, so does Kessel.
- Pecafan Fan


No, he's gotta go back there every time Franson coughs up the puck on the PP... Which is every PP.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007
Oct 3 @ 10:56 AM ET
yeah, so does Kessel.
- Pecafan Fan


You know, watch for it, I've seen a lot of "highlights" where the team playing the Sens clears the puck, and karlssons defense partner chases it back, and karlsson sits at the other teams blue line, further up ice than every other sens player.

I don't even see kessel do that.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Oct 3 @ 3:45 PM ET
Yes. Ignore the facts that he can out skate anyone on the sens, and that he hasnt missed a game since he started playing for the Leafs. The guy that might out produce just about any two forwards on the Senators this coming season should be mocked because he's got a chubby face.
- Feeling Glucky?

http://www.urbandictionar...om/define.php?term=chubby


good one!!!
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