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FirstClass
Anaheim Ducks
Joined: 03.06.2009
Apr 25 @ 6:16 AM ET
sens

leafs have a bunch of second rate talent
Leafy_84
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 12.29.2008
Apr 25 @ 9:08 AM ET
sens

leafs have a bunch of second rate talent
- FirstClass


Wow, haven't seen you around in awhile...it's probably been, oh, around the time the Ducks were mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. That's kind of a weird coincidence, I guess...
Mr_Squeaks
Ottawa Senators
Location: Location: Location: Glitch in
Joined: 06.26.2006
Apr 25 @ 9:12 AM ET
Wow, haven't seen you around in awhile...it's probably been, oh, around the time the Ducks were mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. That's kind of a weird coincidence, I guess...
- Leafy_84


It was quite nice, really...
Leafy_84
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 12.29.2008
Apr 25 @ 1:16 PM ET
It was quite nice, really...
- Mr_Squeaks


Very true.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Apr 25 @ 2:52 PM ET
do you mean global laming,i think we have suspect #1 ... and we all know who that is
- nightmare3020

that was awful... just awful
FirstClass
Anaheim Ducks
Joined: 03.06.2009
Apr 25 @ 6:27 PM ET
Wow, haven't seen you around in awhile...it's probably been, oh, around the time the Ducks were mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. That's kind of a weird coincidence, I guess...
- Leafy_84

That's what happens when you work full time, and go to school full time numbnuts

how about them leafs, last in the east, 29th overall, 2nd pick in da draft.......oh they dont have it?
Holy-Mackinaw
Location: Loserville, NF
Joined: 02.18.2007
Apr 25 @ 6:29 PM ET
That's what happens when you work full time, and go to school full time numbnuts

how about them leafs, last in the east, 29th overall, 2nd pick in da draft.......oh they dont have it?
- FirstClass


How do you work full time and go to school?


"2nd pick in da draft"

School really worked out for you didn't it.
Holy-Mackinaw
Location: Loserville, NF
Joined: 02.18.2007
Apr 25 @ 6:37 PM ET


Ohhhhhhh... now i get it!
FirstClass
Anaheim Ducks
Joined: 03.06.2009
Apr 26 @ 2:50 AM ET
How do you work full time and go to school?


"2nd pick in da draft"

School really worked out for you didn't it.
- Holy-Mackinaw

i go to school in the morning and work at night, can even a leaf fan comprehend this?
Paul99
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 06.29.2006
Apr 26 @ 3:36 AM ET
sens...because they have a good core signed longterm while the leafs barely have anything
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005
Apr 26 @ 4:02 AM ET
sens...because they have a good core signed longterm while the leafs barely have anything
- Paul99

They have tons of heart and determination, and that goes a long way

prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007
Apr 26 @ 8:15 AM ET
sens...because they have a good core signed longterm while the leafs barely have anything
- Paul99


LOL. Who is this core you speak of? The only good player that the Sens have signed long term is Spezza, and he's so overrated and overpaid it's not funny.

EDIT - and obviously Alfredsson, but he's on his last legs. He'll be 38 next season. You can't really expect him to compete at 100% anymore. His play will likely be declining in a hurry over the next few seasons.
Mr_Squeaks
Ottawa Senators
Location: Location: Location: Glitch in
Joined: 06.26.2006
Apr 26 @ 8:46 AM ET
LOL. Who is this core you speak of? The only good player that the Sens have signed long term is Spezza, and he's so overrated and overpaid it's not funny.
- prock


I dispute your opinion, sir. Why exactly is it not funny???
Holy-Mackinaw
Location: Loserville, NF
Joined: 02.18.2007
Apr 26 @ 9:01 AM ET
i go to school in the morning and work at night, can even a leaf fan comprehend this?
- FirstClass


If you go to school in the morning that's not full-time r-tard.

Stop trying to make it look like you have a life.
Holy-Mackinaw
Location: Loserville, NF
Joined: 02.18.2007
Apr 26 @ 9:04 AM ET
sens...because they have a good core signed longterm while the leafs barely have anything
- Paul99


what is this good core you speak of?
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007
Apr 26 @ 9:23 AM ET
I dispute your opinion, sir. Why exactly is it not funny???
- Mr_Squeaks



why is what not funny? I don't follow your post.
nightmare3020
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Windsor Area, ON
Joined: 08.23.2006
Apr 26 @ 9:37 AM ET
If you go to school in the morning that's not full-time r-tard.

Stop trying to make it look like you have a life.
- Holy-Mackinaw

i have friends that have full time jobs and go to school, it is possible.... but i highly doubt he has the ability to go to school
Holy-Mackinaw
Location: Loserville, NF
Joined: 02.18.2007
Apr 26 @ 9:40 AM ET
i have friends that have full time jobs and go to school, it is possible.... but i highly doubt he has the ability to go to school
- nightmare3020


And who the hell would hire him?
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Apr 26 @ 10:27 AM ET
LOL. Who is this core you speak of? The only good player that the Sens have signed long term is Spezza, and he's so overrated and overpaid it's not funny.


- prock

Spezza as you pointed out
Alfredsson three more years
Michalek four more years
Fisher three more years
Neil three more years
Regin, Winchester, Campoli, Foligno, all RFAs and should be signed over the summer
nightmare3020
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Windsor Area, ON
Joined: 08.23.2006
Apr 26 @ 10:35 AM ET
And who the hell would hire him?
- Holy-Mackinaw


he accepts people of all ages, and mental handicaps
hell with him being a ducks fan he may have a soft spot for his former franchise
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007
Apr 26 @ 11:49 AM ET
Spezza as you pointed out
Alfredsson three more years
Michalek four more years
Fisher three more years
Neil three more years
Regin, Winchester, Campoli, Foligno, all RFAs and should be signed over the summer
- Doppleganger


If that's a core that a team has locked up long term, they're screwed.


Alfredsson is old, declining game, and near retirement. He's 38 next year, and 40 when that contract expires. That should put him in the top 4 or 5 oldest players in the game.
Neil - LOL.
The rest? Decent players. But if you're considering that your "core", that is locked up long-term, you won't win much of anything.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Apr 26 @ 12:08 PM ET
If that's a core that a team has locked up long term, they're screwed.


Alfredsson is old, declining game, and near retirement. He's 38 next year, and 40 when that contract expires. That should put him in the top 4 or 5 oldest players in the game.
Neil - LOL.
The rest? Decent players. But if you're considering that your "core", that is locked up long-term, you won't win much of anything.
- prock



Are you advocating for or against long term contracts?
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007
Apr 26 @ 12:11 PM ET
Are you advocating for or against long term contracts?
- Doppleganger



With that post? Neither. I was advocating having better players than that on your roster if you want to compete with the best teams in the league.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Apr 26 @ 12:18 PM ET
With that post? Neither. I was advocating having better players than that on your roster if you want to compete with the best teams in the league.
- prock



I'm asking whether or not you are for or against long term contracts..........and if LTCs are, or are not essential to building a team to compete for the Cup.

But if you prefer to defer to the threads topic.............do you believe the Senators or the leafs are in a better position right now, going forward through the draft and the off season UFA market and heading into their respective training camps.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007
Apr 26 @ 12:25 PM ET
I'm asking whether or not you are for or against long term contracts..........and if LTCs are, or are not essential to building a team to compete for the Cup.

But if you prefer to defer to the threads topic.............do you believe the Senators or the leafs are in a better position right now, going forward through the draft and the off season UFA market and heading into their respective training camps.
- Doppleganger



Depends on the contract. Long-term contracts for overpaid players are bad. Long-term contracts that are good value for the player are good. I don't think long-term contracts are necessary to win a cup. but many of the best players in the NHL get long-term contracts, and those players are necessary. It's not the contract itself, it's the player in conjunction with that contract that matters. Spezza at $7M? Not much of an asset. Spezza at $5M would be a much better asset. Gomez at $3M? that would be a pretty good asset. Gomez at $7M+? Liability.

The second question, you have to expand on what you're asking. You ask which team is in a better position, right now. Clarify, which team is in a better position right now, to compete with the best teams in what timeline?

If you're talking about competing next year, then the Sens are in a better position (as crappy as that position is, the Leafs are obviously in a worse spot). If you're talking a little further down the line, 2 or 3 years or more, then the Leafs.
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