I think people just expect a defenseman to actually be able to play solid defense. A lack of defensive ability is less of an issue when it's a winger.

I do think Karlsson is a really good player but last night was an embarrassment. He has to play better than that.
- daeth

Not to mention, if Karlsson's not expected to actually play defense, then his offensive output is far less impressive.

20 goals in a good season, playing almost 30 minutes a night, without any defensive obligation... and to make matters worse, it seems Ryan's spelling troubles have rubbed off on him.

Defensive ability's not important when it comes to defensemen?

interesting
- Feeling Glucky?

Who said that?

I think people just expect a defenseman to actually be able to play solid defense. A lack of defensive ability is less of an issue when it's a winger.

I do think Karlsson is a really good player but last night was an embarrassment. He has to play better than that.
- daeth

His "regular" defensive partner is still injured, and when he gets back things should improve. I would say last night's game was, if not the worst, pretty close to his worst.

Who said that?
- Doppleganger

Nobody whose opinion matters.

Karlsson strength is no secret, he puts up points and is always in the top two or three in points on the team for the past few seasons, and leads the team in points so far this season. The other side of the coin are his defensive short comings, that are there for all to see. He sits 6th among the teams' Dmen TOI when SH for a reason, just as Kessel does not kill penalties.

leaf fans point out his defensive liabilities, and conversely Sens fans point to Kessel's lack a defensive responsibility.

Point being that both these players are going to have high TOI numbers and both handle the puck a lot and will both have high GvA numbers.

Neither player is getting paid for their defensive skill sets, but are earning their paycheques for their offensive output.

If either can bring more to the "other side of the puck", then that's a bonus.
- Doppleganger

You are such a fcuking idiot Dopps.

His "regular" defensive partner is still injured, and when he gets back things should improve. I would say last night's game was, average for him.
- Doppleganger

fixed

- rmiethaner

wow leafs fans are animals

wow leafs fans are animals
- Crimsoninja

There are a number of busloads of leaf fans that come to Sens vs leafs games in Ottawa, and I hear there is some drinking that goes on during the bus ride from the GTA before they arrive in Ottawa. Incidents like this happen more often at Sens vs leafs games in Ottawa, than against all other visiting teams and it's a big reason a lot of season ticket holders don't go to these games.






It's this minority of leaf fans that makes them all look bad.

That Sens fan threw a weak punch first so he deserved his new beer hat.

That Sens fan threw a weak punch first so he deserved his new beer hat.
- daeth

the guy pours the beer and tries to run away ..complete DB ..disgrace to the leafs fansbase

There are a number of busloads of leaf fans that come to Sens vs leafs games in Ottawa, and I hear there is some drinking that goes on during the bus ride from the GTA before they arrive in Ottawa. Incidents like this happen more often at Sens vs leafs games in Ottawa, than against all other visiting teams and it's a big reason a lot of season ticket holders don't go to these games.






It's this minority of leaf fans that makes them all look bad.
- Doppleganger

(frank)ing tyler seguin....


also you canadians have the funniest accents LOL!!

(frank)ing tyler seguin....


also you canadians have the funniest accents LOL!!
- Crimsoninja

i thought it was him too

that accent is universal. it's called drunk

the guy pours the beer and tries to run away ..complete DB ..disgrace to the leafs fansbase
- senstroll

embarassing

i thought it was him too

that accent is universal. it's called drunk
- daeth

nice try

(frank)ing tyler seguin....


also you canadians have the funniest accents LOL!!
- Crimsoninja

Coming from the guy that says wooder instead of water....

i thought it was him too

that accent is universal. it's called drunk
- daeth

Orange puma hat and a pink belt? Ricky fowler?

Coming from the guy that says wooder instead of water....
- Pecafan Fan

americans sure do talk funny

they don't even keep their milk in bags either. freaks.

americans sure do talk funny

they don't even keep their milk in bags either. freaks.
- daeth

From the Ottawa SUN.



A video making the social media rounds Monday shows the ugly side of the Ottawa Senators and Toronto Maple Leafs rivalry.



Apparently shot at Sunday night’s game between the teams at Canadian Tire Centre — a makeup date after the original game was cancelled because of the shooting at the National War Memorial and Parliament — the clip, uploaded to Facebook, captures a brawl in the stands between opposing fans.

In the video, which lasts 1:02, a man in a Leafs jersey appears to be arguing with a woman in a Senators sweater. The man walks up the stairs and looks to engage in more arguing with a man in a Senators jersey, with the woman continuing to be involved in the conversation.

As someone in the crowd yells “give him the Todd Bertuzzi,” the Sens fan appears to reach out towards the Leafs fan, who backs away before another man in a Leafs jersey appears, dumps a cup of beer on the Sens fan’s head and then runs in the opposite direction.

The first Leafs fan and the Sens fans then grab at each other before both men go flying down the stairs on the upper deck of the arena.

“Holy s—t”, one man yelled, while another says “oh yeah, he’s hurt.”

The video, uploaded by Sandy Cryptkeeper Chapman, had been shared on Facebook several hundred times.

In a statement Monday, Senators president Cyril Leeder said the organization will not tolerate such incidents.

“Our primary goal at each of our events is to ensure a safe environment. Fans in Ottawa should feel comfortable when bringing their family to Canadian Tire Centre,” said Leeder.

“The actions of some individuals at Sunday’s game against Toronto are of a nature that we do not condone under any circumstance and for which we have zero tolerance. Our fans have become accustomed to a secure and pleasant environment while at our venue. We will endeavour to continue fostering that type of environment.”

This isn’t the first time the Senators have had issues with Ottawa and Toronto fans getting into brawls. In February, 2012, owner Eugene Melnyk told a fan conference call something had to be done about the atmosphere.

Melnyk noted at the time the holding cells in the building were usually full during Ottawa-Toronto games.​

He promised to institute a “zero tolerance” policy. The Senators have also tried to ensure they get more Ottawa fans in the building.

Ottawa Police confirmed they had no record of the brawl and had not heard of the video.


These types of incidents only happen when the leafs play in Ottawa.

- rmiethaner

What a disgrace that Sens fan is, throwing a sucker punch, and not appreciating a free beer.

From the Ottawa SUN.



A video making the social media rounds Monday shows the ugly side of the Ottawa Senators and Toronto Maple Leafs rivalry.



Apparently shot at Sunday night’s game between the teams at Canadian Tire Centre — a makeup date after the original game was cancelled because of the shooting at the National War Memorial and Parliament — the clip, uploaded to Facebook, captures a brawl in the stands between opposing fans.

In the video, which lasts 1:02, a man in a Leafs jersey appears to be arguing with a woman in a Senators sweater. The man walks up the stairs and looks to engage in more arguing with a man in a Senators jersey, with the woman continuing to be involved in the conversation.

As someone in the crowd yells “give him the Todd Bertuzzi,” the Sens fan appears to reach out towards the Leafs fan, who backs away before another man in a Leafs jersey appears, dumps a cup of beer on the Sens fan’s head and then runs in the opposite direction.

The first Leafs fan and the Sens fans then grab at each other before both men go flying down the stairs on the upper deck of the arena.

“Holy s—t”, one man yelled, while another says “oh yeah, he’s hurt.”

The video, uploaded by Sandy Cryptkeeper Chapman, had been shared on Facebook several hundred times.

In a statement Monday, Senators president Cyril Leeder said the organization will not tolerate such incidents.

“Our primary goal at each of our events is to ensure a safe environment. Fans in Ottawa should feel comfortable when bringing their family to Canadian Tire Centre,” said Leeder.

“The actions of some individuals at Sunday’s game against Toronto are of a nature that we do not condone under any circumstance and for which we have zero tolerance. Our fans have become accustomed to a secure and pleasant environment while at our venue. We will endeavour to continue fostering that type of environment.”

This isn’t the first time the Senators have had issues with Ottawa and Toronto fans getting into brawls. In February, 2012, owner Eugene Melnyk told a fan conference call something had to be done about the atmosphere.

Melnyk noted at the time the holding cells in the building were usually full during Ottawa-Toronto games.​

He promised to institute a “zero tolerance” policy. The Senators have also tried to ensure they get more Ottawa fans in the building.

Ottawa Police confirmed they had no record of the brawl and had not heard of the video.


These types of incidents only happen when the leafs play in Ottawa.
- Doppleganger

It's the same thing in Montreal when Toronto is in town. Drink all day, go to the game at night, fight.

From the Ottawa SUN.



A video making the social media rounds Monday shows the ugly side of the Ottawa Senators and Toronto Maple Leafs rivalry.



Apparently shot at Sunday night’s game between the teams at Canadian Tire Centre — a makeup date after the original game was cancelled because of the shooting at the National War Memorial and Parliament — the clip, uploaded to Facebook, captures a brawl in the stands between opposing fans.

In the video, which lasts 1:02, a man in a Leafs jersey appears to be arguing with a woman in a Senators sweater. The man walks up the stairs and looks to engage in more arguing with a man in a Senators jersey, with the woman continuing to be involved in the conversation.

As someone in the crowd yells “give him the Todd Bertuzzi,” the Sens fan appears to reach out towards the Leafs fan, who backs away before another man in a Leafs jersey appears, dumps a cup of beer on the Sens fan’s head and then runs in the opposite direction.

The first Leafs fan and the Sens fans then grab at each other before both men go flying down the stairs on the upper deck of the arena.

“Holy s—t”, one man yelled, while another says “oh yeah, he’s hurt.”

The video, uploaded by Sandy Cryptkeeper Chapman, had been shared on Facebook several hundred times.

In a statement Monday, Senators president Cyril Leeder said the organization will not tolerate such incidents.

“Our primary goal at each of our events is to ensure a safe environment. Fans in Ottawa should feel comfortable when bringing their family to Canadian Tire Centre,” said Leeder.

“The actions of some individuals at Sunday’s game against Toronto are of a nature that we do not condone under any circumstance and for which we have zero tolerance. Our fans have become accustomed to a secure and pleasant environment while at our venue. We will endeavour to continue fostering that type of environment.”

This isn’t the first time the Senators have had issues with Ottawa and Toronto fans getting into brawls. In February, 2012, owner Eugene Melnyk told a fan conference call something had to be done about the atmosphere.

Melnyk noted at the time the holding cells in the building were usually full during Ottawa-Toronto games.​

He promised to institute a “zero tolerance” policy. The Senators have also tried to ensure they get more Ottawa fans in the building.

Ottawa Police confirmed they had no record of the brawl and had not heard of the video.

These types of incidents only happen when the leafs play in Ottawa.
- Doppleganger

Hi lighting "leaf fan" repeatedly to try to show blame is rather lame.

Takes two to tango. This isn't a sucker punch of an innocent or something.

So Melnyk is still trying to block Leaf fans at games?

Hi lighting "leaf fan" repeatedly to try to show blame is rather lame.

Takes two to tango. This isn't a sucker punch of an innocent or something.
- burn

Especially after the youtube video was posted.