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Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Nov 28 @ 10:20 AM ET
Sundin > Alf
- the_cause2000

I preferred Sundin as well.
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007
Nov 28 @ 10:29 AM ET
I preferred Sundin as well.
- Pecafan Fan

WHO is in a better situation: SUNDIN or ALF?
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Nov 28 @ 10:31 AM ET
WHO is in a better situation: SUNDIN or ALF?
- the_cause2000


Does Sundin suffer from back problems?
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007
Nov 28 @ 10:39 AM ET
Does Sundin suffer from back problems?
- Pecafan Fan

no he does not
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Nov 28 @ 10:47 AM ET
no he does not
- the_cause2000


Then it's clear Sundin is in a better situation.
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005
Nov 28 @ 11:53 AM ET
This thread is improving
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009
Nov 28 @ 1:23 PM ET
Sundin > Alf
- the_cause2000
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007
Nov 28 @ 1:25 PM ET
Alf > Alfredsson
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009
Nov 28 @ 1:28 PM ET
Alf > Alfredsson
- the_cause2000


but alfredsson is better than sundin.......this is a cracy circle.
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007
Nov 28 @ 1:37 PM ET
but alfredsson is better than sundin.......this is a cracy circle.
- sensarmy_11

not possible, please review timeline
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009
Nov 28 @ 1:45 PM ET
not possible, please review timeline
- the_cause2000


we all know that a hockey player's ability is directly related to their flow....that's why "slick hair/afro" alfie will always be better than "cue ball" sundin.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Nov 28 @ 2:56 PM ET
Alfredsson was drafted by the Senators, won the Calder Trophy and spent 17 Seasons in a Senators Uniform, 13 Seasons as Captain. Also went to the playoffs 15 times as a Senator, including an appearance in the Finals.

Sundin was acquired through a trade, and was with the leafs for 13 seasons. Only went to the playoffs 8 times with the leafs, never advancing to the the Finals.


leaf fans will always think that Sundin is the better of the two, as Senator Fans will always believe the opposite.
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007
Nov 28 @ 3:45 PM ET
Alfredsson was drafted by the Senators, won the Calder Trophy and spent 17 Seasons in a Senators Uniform, 13 Seasons as Captain. Also went to the playoffs 15 times as a Senator, including an appearance in the Finals.

Sundin was acquired through a trade, and was with the leafs for 13 seasons. Only went to the playoffs 8 times with the leafs, never advancing to the the Finals.


leaf fans will always think that Sundin is the better of the two, as Senator Fans will always believe the opposite.
- Doppleganger

we will need a neutral arbitrator
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009
Nov 28 @ 4:44 PM ET
we will need a neutral arbitrator
- the_cause2000


i'm neutral.......um, GO AVS GO


alfi was definitely better, sundin was like "pat faloon" bad.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Nov 29 @ 6:57 AM ET
i'm neutral.......um, GO AVS GO


alfi was definitely better, sundin was like "pat faloon" bad.
- sensarmy_11


To be fair, Sundin did have a higher PPG in a leaf uniform, than Alfredsson did as a Senator.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Nov 29 @ 7:36 PM ET
The Sens might be a worse team than I thought.

Would be a good time to trade Anderson and make a run at mceichel
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011
Nov 29 @ 7:41 PM ET
The Sens might be a worse team than I thought.

Would be a good time to trade Anderson and make a run at mceichel
- senstroll


Then they would clearly be in a better situation and this thread would finally die.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Nov 30 @ 7:39 AM ET
The Sens might be a worse team than I thought.

Would be a good time to trade Anderson and make a run at mceichel
- senstroll


Don't know that they have an NHL ready back up, so doubt this year is the year they trade Anderson and hand the starters' job to Lehner, who is close, but not yet ready to be the starter.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Nov 30 @ 9:26 AM ET
we will need a neutral arbitrator
- the_cause2000

that was asp.

Or maybe Team Sweden, who always had Sundin as captain over Alfredsson.



Sundin wins.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Nov 30 @ 9:27 AM ET
To be fair, Sundin did have a higher PPG in a leaf uniform, than Alfredsson did as a Senator.
- Doppleganger

part of the reason for that was that he was a better player.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Dec 1 @ 7:40 AM ET
part of the reason for that was that he was a better player.
- Feeling Glucky?




But was he a better leader?

I don't think so.

At least Alfredsson was able to take his team past a Conference final and into the Stanley Cup Finals, which Sundin was not able to do.

As for being captain of team Sweden, it's not necessarily the best player, but mostly the one with the most international experience, and Sundin was nearly two years older that Afredsson, and was a pretty good player too.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Dec 1 @ 7:42 AM ET
that was asp.

Or maybe Team Sweden, who always had Sundin as captain over Alfredsson.



Sundin wins.
- Feeling Glucky?


Alfredson was a very talented player. But I always loved Sundin's game a lot more. He was a force around the net.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Dec 1 @ 8:25 AM ET
Then they would clearly be in a better situation and this thread would finally die.
- golfingsince


if they ended up with Mcdavid i would agree.. which is why I hope they dont trade anderson..but it makes sense.. they are really bad

sounds like its getting pretty bad..coach is being questioned, defense sucks

Travis Yost @TravisHeHateMe
Ottawa's 35.4 shots against/60 at EV is the highest total I can find for any team going back to 2002. And yes, worse than Buffalo this year.


as soon as the goalies start to play average the sens will plummet currently .925 team sv%

Leafs are in a better spot
but we need to hear from Spatso to be sure
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Dec 1 @ 9:41 AM ET
if they ended up with Mcdavid i would agree.. which is why I hope they dont trade anderson..but it makes sense.. they are really bad

sounds like its getting pretty bad..coach is being questioned, defense sucks



as soon as the goalies start to play average the sens will plummet currently .925 team sv%

Leafs are in a better spot
but we need to hear from Spatso to be sure
- senstroll



leafs are holding down a playoff spot, at a point in the season when many pundits say that "if you're in a playoff spot just after US Thanksgivings, odds are pretty good that you're gone to make the playoffs.


So these teams in the East are.

Tampa
Montreal
Detroit
Pittsburgh
NYI
NYR
Boston
toronto

These same pundits say that "if you're double didgits out of a playoff spot (at this time) you're pretty much not gonna make the post season).

These teams in the East are

Carolina
Columbus

and I would include the Sabres, though only 9 points out, but have played one more game than the leafs.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Dec 1 @ 10:22 AM ET
leafs are holding down a playoff spot, at a point in the season when many pundits say that "if you're in a playoff spot just after US Thanksgivings, odds are pretty good that you're gone to make the playoffs.


So these teams in the East are.

Tampa
Montreal
Detroit
Pittsburgh
NYI
NYR
Boston
toronto

These same pundits say that "if you're double didgits out of a playoff spot (at this time) you're pretty much not gonna make the post season).

These teams in the East are

Carolina
Columbus

and I would include the Sabres, though only 9 points out, but have played one more game than the leafs.
- Doppleganger



I dont care about pundits or standings right now

just that the Leafs are playing a more sustainable style of hockey (unlike last season) .. not relying heavily on sv% and unsustainable play
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