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Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Dec 1 @ 10:54 AM ET
But was he a better leader?

I don't think so.

At least Alfredsson was able to take his team past a Conference final and into the Stanley Cup Finals, which Sundin was not able to do.

As for being captain of team Sweden, it's not necessarily the best player, but mostly the one with the most international experience, and Sundin was nearly two years older that Afredsson, and was a pretty good player too.
- Doppleganger

When they were on the same team, Sundin was captain, was Alfy even an A?

Pretty clear who the better leader was.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Dec 1 @ 10:57 AM ET
Alfredson was a very talented player. But I always loved Sundin's game a lot more. He was a force around the net.
- Pecafan Fan

No doubt Alfy had skill, and he had a good edge to his game, but Sundin was just an absolute beast.
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007
Dec 1 @ 11:47 AM ET
When they were on the same team, Sundin was captain, was Alfy even an A?

Pretty clear who the better leader was.
- Feeling Glucky?


sundin was always the best player on his team

Alfredsson sometimes wasnt even top 3 on his team
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: long friend time friend, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008
Dec 1 @ 3:32 PM ET
Sundin > Alfie
Kessel > Ryan
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Dec 1 @ 3:35 PM ET
Sundin > Alfie
Kessel > Ryan
- Cape Breton Bruins


Pretty much, yes.
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: long friend time friend, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008
Dec 1 @ 3:50 PM ET
Pretty much, yes.
- Pecafan Fan

but......but

Sens > Leafs for about 95% of the past decade.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Dec 1 @ 3:57 PM ET
but......but

Sens > Leafs for about 95% of the past decade.
- Cape Breton Bruins


Including Alfredsson leading the Senators through the Conference Finals and into the Stanley Cup Finals, a place the leaf have not been for over 47 years.
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007
Dec 1 @ 4:01 PM ET
Including Alfredsson leading the Senators through the Conference Finals and into the Stanley Cup Finals, a place the leaf have not been for over 47 years.
- Doppleganger

ya he carried himself well in the finals from what i remember
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Dec 1 @ 4:02 PM ET
ya he carried himself well in the finals from what i remember
- the_cause2000


Pure Class.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Dec 1 @ 4:04 PM ET
I dont care about pundits or standings right now

just that the Leafs are playing a more sustainable style of hockey (unlike last season) .. not relying heavily on sv% and unsustainable play
- senstroll



Perhaps you should pay a little more attention to the standings right now, as year after year, the teams in playoff positions just after US Thanksgivings are the almost always the teams that go on to the Playoffs at the end of the season. You should be felling good that the leafs are in a playoff spot today as the odds the make the playoffs is pretty good, just shy of 70%.
http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/Eastern.html
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Dec 1 @ 10:52 PM ET
Pure Class.
- Pecafan Fan

A true leader for a storied franchise.
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005
Dec 2 @ 1:12 AM ET
leafs are holding down a playoff spot, at a point in the season when many pundits say that "if you're in a playoff spot just after US Thanksgivings, odds are pretty good that you're gone to make the playoffs.


So these teams in the East are.

Tampa
Montreal
Detroit
Pittsburgh
NYI
NYR
Boston
toronto

These same pundits say that "if you're double didgits out of a playoff spot (at this time) you're pretty much not gonna make the post season).

These teams in the East are

Carolina
Columbus

and I would include the Sabres, though only 9 points out, but have played one more game than the leafs.
- Doppleganger

The only reason the Leafs have a shot at making the playoffs is because the East is so weak. Toronto has had a ton of stinkers so far this year.
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005
Dec 2 @ 1:13 AM ET
but......but

Sens > Leafs for about 95% of the past decade.
- Cape Breton Bruins

except head to head in the playoffs i guess
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010
Dec 2 @ 1:22 AM ET
Sundin > Alfie
Kessel > Ryan
- Cape Breton Bruins



But who has the better equipment guy and janitor? WHO?!
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Dec 2 @ 6:52 AM ET
But who has the better equipment guy and janitor? WHO?!
- Nucker101
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Dec 2 @ 9:44 AM ET
Perhaps you should pay a little more attention to the standings right now, as year after year, the teams in playoff positions just after US Thanksgivings are the almost always the teams that go on to the Playoffs at the end of the season. You should be felling good that the leafs are in a playoff spot today as the odds the make the playoffs is pretty good, just shy of 70%.
http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/Eastern.html
- Doppleganger


I am not confident the leafs make it.



December could be another killer month for them
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Dec 2 @ 11:53 AM ET
I am not confident the leafs make it.



December could be another killer month for them
- senstroll


If not them, then who catches them, and then passes them in the standings?
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007
Dec 2 @ 1:29 PM ET
If not them, then WHO catches them, and then passes them in the standings?
- Doppleganger

fixed
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Dec 2 @ 10:21 PM ET
One of the teams won tonight.

The other is the Sens.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Dec 3 @ 7:34 AM ET
One of the teams won tonight.

The other is the Sens.


- Feeling Glucky?


typical Senators game. They dominate the first and third periods, but are totally playing the whole second period in their own end. '

Islanders benefit from terrible giveaways, and score off a Senators skate in overtime.

Lazar looking very comfortable each and every game, but still think he'd benifit from going to the WJC, and there are some roster moves that would be required if he's kept around instead.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Dec 3 @ 7:36 AM ET
typical Senators game.
- Doppleganger


Meaning: Averaging 6 shots per period
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Dec 3 @ 7:41 AM ET
Meaning: Averaging 6 shots per period
- Pecafan Fan


They average about 28.5 shots per game, which, by the way, is more than the Canadiens do.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Dec 3 @ 7:44 AM ET
They average about 28.5 shots per game, which, by the way, is more than the Canadiens do.
- Doppleganger


They had 18 last night.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Dec 3 @ 7:45 AM ET
They had 18 last night.
- Pecafan Fan



BTW
http://www.tsn.ca/video/f...well-to-a-legend-1.150393
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Dec 3 @ 7:46 AM ET
BTW
http://www.tsn.ca/video/f...well-to-a-legend-1.150393
- Doppleganger


Yes.... tough few weeks for former NHL greats and coaches.
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