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Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Dec 4 @ 7:21 AM ET
you have an amazing memory to store all that information from everything you saw with your own eyes in every game..ever
- senstroll



Why do you waste your time watching leaf games, surely you have better things to do, and can just take a quick look at your stats to know exactly how the game was played.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Dec 4 @ 10:18 AM ET
Why do you waste your time watching leaf games, surely you have better things to do, and can just take a quick look at your stats to know exactly how the game was played.
- Doppleganger


just need to remember how many take ways they had.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Dec 4 @ 11:42 AM ET
just need to remember how many take ways they had.
- senstroll


Or in the case of the leafs, the ratio of giveaways to takeaways, for the amount of TOI/GP by Kessel.
Mr_Squeaks
Ottawa Senators
Location: Location: Location: Glitch in
Joined: 06.26.2006
Dec 5 @ 7:56 AM ET
Or in the case of the leafs, the ratio of giveaways to takeaways, for the amount of TOI/GP by Kessel.
- Doppleganger


As much as we seem to be turning this into a "Leafs suck because Kessel is fat" vs "Sens suck because Karlsson whiffed on a zone clearance" debate, it's really hard to deny that as of right now, this moment, the Sens are sucking donkey balls while the Leafs are legitimately competing for a playoff spot. Fortunately this thread is years old, so we can insult generation after generation of opposing players as if it's meaningful. Party on, Garth...
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Dec 5 @ 8:06 AM ET
As much as we seem to be turning this into a "Leafs suck because Kessel is fat" vs "Sens suck because Karlsson whiffed on a zone clearance" debate, it's really hard to deny that as of right now, this moment, the Sens are sucking donkey balls while the Leafs are legitimately competing for a playoff spot. Fortunately this thread is years old, so we can insult generation after generation of opposing players as if it's meaningful. Party on, Garth...
- Mr_Squeaks



Said as much back on Monday.

Monday @ 9:41 AM ET


leafs are holding down a playoff spot, at a point in the season when many pundits say that "if you're in a playoff spot just after US Thanksgivings, odds are pretty good that you're gone to make the playoffs.


So these teams in the East are.

Tampa
Montreal
Detroit
Pittsburgh
NYI
NYR
Boston
toronto

These same pundits say that "if you're double didgits out of a playoff spot (at this time) you're pretty much not gonna make the post season).

These teams in the East are

Carolina
Columbus

and I would include the Sabres, though only 9 points out, but have played one more game than the leafs.
- Doppleganger

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Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Dec 5 @ 8:22 AM ET
As much as we seem to be turning this into a "Leafs suck because Kessel is fat" vs "Sens suck because Karlsson whiffed on a zone clearance" debate, it's really hard to deny that as of right now, this moment, the Sens are sucking donkey balls while the Leafs are legitimately competing for a playoff spot. Fortunately this thread is years old, so we can insult generation after generation of opposing players as if it's meaningful. Party on, Garth...
- Mr_Squeaks

One ball for each team last night.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Dec 5 @ 9:32 AM ET
Or in the case of the leafs, the ratio of giveaways to takeaways, for the amount of TOI/GP by Kessel.
- Doppleganger



on the Doppler scale of 1-10 how meaningful do you actually think those stats are?
in the overall picture of winning games and making the playoffs
Mr_Squeaks
Ottawa Senators
Location: Location: Location: Glitch in
Joined: 06.26.2006
Dec 5 @ 12:35 PM ET
One ball for each team last night.
- Feeling Glucky?


It's nice when people share.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Dec 5 @ 4:20 PM ET
on the Doppler scale of 1-10 how meaningful do you actually think those stats are?
in the overall picture of winning games and making the playoffs
- senstroll



Watching a team play their games is always going to better than just looking at any kind of stats.

Ottawa played perhaps their best game of the season vs the Blues, and then just mailed it in against the Panthers. Then there are games were they play well enough to win, and get no breaks, and some they do.

But as I said before, every season at just about this time, the teams sitting in a playoff spot, are pretty much the same ones who will be in them at the end of the season. Sure there might be one maybe two that drop out and get replaced, but it's a time tested rule of thumb, that I've heard a few pundits say year in and year out.
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005
Dec 7 @ 1:41 AM ET
LEAFS
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Dec 7 @ 10:50 AM ET
LEAFS
- daeth

The gap grows.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Dec 8 @ 11:25 AM ET
Leafs 4 points back of habs with 3 games in hand
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Dec 8 @ 11:28 AM ET
Leafs 4 points back of habs with 3 games in hand
- senstroll

And Nylander has the second highest PPG in his league.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Dec 8 @ 11:30 AM ET
Leafs 4 points back of habs with 3 games in hand
- senstroll



Habs .621 (trending down)
leafs .596 (trending up)
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Dec 8 @ 11:31 AM ET
And Nylander has the second highest PPG in his league.
- Feeling Glucky?


Next season he wins the Calder and Hoists the Cup!!!
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Dec 8 @ 11:34 AM ET
Next season he wins the Calder and Hoists the Cup!!!
- Doppleganger

Who knows? Maybe Lazar will score a goal by then!
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007
Dec 8 @ 11:40 AM ET
sooooo, leafs?
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Dec 8 @ 11:49 AM ET
Who knows? Maybe Lazar will score a goal by then!
- Feeling Glucky?


He's not the only player on the Sens that is having trouble scoring. Besides, he's playing in the bottom six, and has been playing ahead of a number of veterans on the PK. I have no problems this his "game" at this time.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Dec 8 @ 11:55 AM ET
He's not the only player on the Sens that is having trouble scoring. Besides, he's playing in the bottom six, and has been playing ahead of a number of veterans on the PK. I have no problems this his "game" at this time.
- Doppleganger

It's good when your top prospect is a PK specialist.
Mr_Squeaks
Ottawa Senators
Location: Location: Location: Glitch in
Joined: 06.26.2006
Dec 8 @ 1:22 PM ET
It's good when your top prospect is a PK specialist.
- Feeling Glucky?


Don't worry about our 19 year olds... we don't even have a COACH anymore!
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007
Dec 8 @ 1:23 PM ET
Don't worry about our 19 year olds... we don't even have a COACH anymore!
- Mr_Squeaks
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Dec 8 @ 3:48 PM ET
Don't worry about our 19 year olds... we don't even have a COACH anymore!
- Mr_Squeaks


Yes you do, Dave Cameron.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Dec 8 @ 5:08 PM ET
Don't worry about our 19 year olds... we don't even have a COACH anymore!
- Mr_Squeaks

lucky
Mr_Squeaks
Ottawa Senators
Location: Location: Location: Glitch in
Joined: 06.26.2006
Dec 8 @ 6:15 PM ET
Yes you do, Dave Cameron.
- Doppleganger


Yes, we have an assistant coach with a raise. Eventually we'll have a coach that sticks. I liked MacLean, but he very obviously had been taken by the pod-people. Maybe even that creepy dude behind the glass at CTC...
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Dec 9 @ 7:56 AM ET
Yes, we have an assistant coach with a raise. Eventually we'll have a coach that sticks. I liked MacLean, but he very obviously had been taken by the pod-people. Maybe even that creepy dude behind the glass at CTC...


- Mr_Squeaks




I too liked MacLean, but he was forced (by the Owner) to take on Cameron as one of his assistants............the same guy the Owner wanted to be Head coach.

The writing was on the wall from the get go, and MacLean was never given 100% support from Management, it was like he was on probation once he became the Coach.

To be fair though, Maclean did not use his roster to it's full advantage, in my opinion. Bobby Ryan was never given a chance to be on the first PP unit since he became a Senator, and that too might have factored into the reasoning to let him go.
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