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Mr_Squeaks
Ottawa Senators
Location: Location: Location: Glitch in
Joined: 06.26.2006
Dec 12 @ 1:00 PM ET
They had a better lineup, but that doesn't mean they did not overachieve.

The real reason for the success two seasons ago was insane goaltending which made the team look better than it was. I said at that time they'd regress because that goaltending would not repeat those numbers.
- RogerRoeper


Great goaltending would make ME look like a genius behind the bench. I'll be much happier when our D does a more consistent job of taking away some of the easy goals we allow, and cut down on the spectacular saves Andy and Lehner have to make. That's where I'm hoping that this coach or the next will implement and teach a system that includes a lot more defensive awareness.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Dec 12 @ 1:12 PM ET
They had a better lineup, but that doesn't mean they did not overachieve.

The real reason for the success two seasons ago was insane goaltending which made the team look better than it was. I said at that time they'd regress because that goaltending would not repeat those numbers.
- RogerRoeper



Last time I looked, both the goaltenders are part of the team, and they're repeating those numbers.


However, if you remove Alfredsson, Gonchar, Spezza and Methot (injured) from the line up.............then this seasons' team is not as good as two seasons ago.

Or perhaps they're just underachieving???
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007
Dec 12 @ 1:12 PM ET
The only desirable situation is Stanley Cup. Until one of these two teams is in a position to win one, this thread will continue to be meaningless. And finally, for an entire summer you'll have us three Sens fans on this thread, plus the 212 derpish bandwagon hoppers dancing through the thread. September of that year (2017, thank you very much) the Leafs fans will retort with, "Yeah, but now that's done. Who's in a better position now?"

Please note that the above paragraph contained hypotheticals, written towards the most likely scenario, but not something that will necessarily come to pass. I have no idea how many bandwagon jumpers will come to hockeybuzz.
- Mr_Squeaks

the topic is WHO is in a better situation. The thread only becomes meaningless when the answer leans toward Leafs

how dare you call this thread meaningless
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: long friend time friend, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008
Dec 12 @ 1:49 PM ET
Last time I looked, both the goaltenders are part of the team, and they're repeating those numbers.


However, if you remove Alfredsson, Gonchar, Spezza and Methot (injured) from the line up.............then this seasons' team is not as good as two seasons ago.

Or perhaps they're just underachieving???
- Doppleganger

Its obvious they are not as good and you can thank Melnyk for that.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Dec 12 @ 1:55 PM ET
Its obvious they are not as good and you can thank Melnyk for that.
- Cape Breton Bruins



Two season ago, after 28 games the Senators had 34 points.

This season, after 28 games they only have 27 points.

So yes, the loss of Alfredsson, Gonchar, Spezza and Methot (to injury) has hurt the Senators ability to win games.


Or perhaps they're underachieving???
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: long friend time friend, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008
Dec 12 @ 2:15 PM ET
Two season ago, after 28 games the Senators had 34 points.

This season, after 28 games they only have 27 points.

So yes, the loss of Alfredsson, Gonchar, Spezza and Methot (to injury) has hurt the Senators ability to win games.


Or perhaps they're underachieving???
- Doppleganger

It's obvious that they are not as good and you can thank Melnyk for that.
Mr_Squeaks
Ottawa Senators
Location: Location: Location: Glitch in
Joined: 06.26.2006
Dec 12 @ 2:30 PM ET
the topic is WHO is in a better situation. The thread only becomes meaningless when the answer leans toward Leafs

how dare you call this thread meaningless
- the_cause2000


You're right - I'm sorry mister.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007
Dec 12 @ 9:24 PM ET
Last time I looked, both the goaltenders are part of the team, and they're repeating those numbers.


However, if you remove Alfredsson, Gonchar, Spezza and Methot (injured) from the line up.............then this seasons' team is not as good as two seasons ago.

Or perhaps they're just underachieving???
- Doppleganger


Not quite. In less than half the games, Anderson is .16 lower than two seasons ago.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007
Dec 12 @ 9:31 PM ET
It's obvious that they are not as good and you can thank Melnyk for that.
- Cape Breton Bruins

(the second one)
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Dec 12 @ 11:12 PM ET
Not quite. In less than half the games, Anderson is .16 lower than two seasons ago.
- RogerRoeper



Perhaps he is underachieving???
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Dec 12 @ 11:32 PM ET
(the second one)
- Crimsoninja

Or perhaps they're just underacheiving?
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Dec 13 @ 4:22 PM ET
Nick Ritchie is having a pretty good season
- Feeling Glucky?



I'm hearing that Tyler Seguin is have a good season also.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Dec 13 @ 4:22 PM ET
Sens win one on the road. From what I saw the Bruins underachieved in the first period, and the Senators achieved just the right amount.

But in the second period both the Senators and Bruins overachieved by a factor of 22% each.

The third period saw the Senators achieveless for the first 11 minutes and they were a little more achievefull than the Bruins.

In the OT both teams underachieved except for Lehner who was just a shade over his achieveedness rating.

In the Shoot Out Bobby Ryan underachieved, and Bergeron overachieved.
Mr_Squeaks
Ottawa Senators
Location: Location: Location: Glitch in
Joined: 06.26.2006
Dec 13 @ 6:53 PM ET
Sens win one on the road. From what I saw the Bruins underachieved in the first period, and the Senators achieved just the right amount.

But in the second period both the Senators and Bruins overachieved by a factor of 22% each.

The third period saw the Senators achieveless for the first 11 minutes and they were a little more achievefull than the Bruins.

In the OT both teams underachieved except for Lehner who was just a shade over his achieveedness rating.

In the Shoot Out Bobby Ryan underachieved, and Bergeron overachieved.
- Doppleganger


Nice.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Dec 13 @ 10:38 PM ET
I'm hearing that Tyler Seguin is have a good season also.
- Doppleganger

Yup, just had to be traded out of the spotlight to put it together.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007
Dec 13 @ 10:55 PM ET
I'm hearing that Tyler Seguin is have a good season also.
- Doppleganger


Stupid Boston.
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: long friend time friend, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008
Dec 13 @ 11:00 PM ET
I'm hearing that Tyler Seguin is have a good season also.
- Doppleganger



It's the Thornton trade all over again.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Dec 13 @ 11:27 PM ET
Stupid Boston.
- RogerRoeper


Yeah, for giving up on him so soon.

Still could have been a leaf though.
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005
Dec 13 @ 11:28 PM ET
Yeah, for giving up on him so soon.

Still could have been a leaf though.
- Doppleganger

unlikely. without kessel the leafs probably would've picked 1st overall and had hall.

not really any better lol.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Dec 13 @ 11:36 PM ET
unlikely. without kessel the leafs probably would've picked 1st overall and had hall.

not really any better lol.
- daeth

I wish Burke would have pulled the trigger on Kaberle+Kadri for Kessel. Woulda had Hall/Seguin and the next year's pick.
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005
Dec 13 @ 11:39 PM ET
I wish Burke would have pulled the trigger on Kaberle+Kadri for Kessel. Woulda had Hall/Seguin and the next year's pick.
- Feeling Glucky?

Kessel, Hall/ Seguin.. good god.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Dec 13 @ 11:40 PM ET
Kessel, Hall, and Seguin.. good god.
- daeth

Hall or Seguin, not both
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005
Dec 13 @ 11:41 PM ET
Hall or Seguin, not both
- Feeling Glucky?

you were faster than my edit, your F5 skills are impressive
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Dec 13 @ 11:57 PM ET
you were faster than my edit, your F5 skills are impressive
- daeth

They don't call me king of the Internet for nothing.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Dec 15 @ 11:35 AM ET
They don't call me king of the Internet for nothing.
- Feeling Glucky?



Not the king, just overachieving.
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