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RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007
Dec 17 @ 12:26 AM ET
it always makes me laugh that you claim:

1. the leafs last year only lost because bernier missed a few games, and weren't in fact a terrible team (like everyone else knows they were).

2. claim that ottawa was a terrible team and only won because of anderson.....and yet you ignore the fact that they were able to keep winning despite losing a better goalie than the leafs lost.........

hmmmmmmm

i think there are holes in your theory.
- sensarmy_11


I said ultimately, it cost them a very good chance at a playoff spot.

And I never called Ottawa a "Terrible Team",. You're using incorrect quotes to build my "Theory".
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Dec 17 @ 7:55 AM ET


April 14 @ 12:43 PM ET

Let's settle this, then.

If the Sens goaltending was great because it was a shortened season, does it mean the Leafs made the playoffs because it was a shortened season also?
- Pecafan Fan











April 14 @ 1:12 PM ET

November: 13 games
9 losses

December: 14 games
8 losses

That’s 17 losses over 27 games. Was Bernier injured back then as well?
- Pecafan Fan



excellent points
Mr_Squeaks
Ottawa Senators
Location: Location: Location: Glitch in
Joined: 06.26.2006
Dec 17 @ 8:12 AM ET
Out of curiosity, as of right now the Sens are 11 points back of the Leafs in the standings with one game in hand (vs. New Jersey). How far back (or ahead, for you dreamers) will the Sens be by the end of the season? Prediction #1. (I'll say 17, just for fun).

Prediction #2: Do the Leafs make the playoffs this season (2014/2015)? (I'll say Yup)

Prediction #3: Does this Leafs core win the cup? (I'll say Nope)

Prediction #4: When do the Sens turn things around and make it back to the playoffs? (I'll say 2016/2017 season).

Assuming the North Koreans don't hack this site, this thread will probably still be active for a few years - can any of you guys predict the future? I know I cannot...
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Dec 17 @ 8:31 AM ET
excellent points

- Doppleganger


Fact is, does goaltending wins you games? Of course.

Does an injury can send a team into a 10 games tail spin? Of course.

Did the Leafs went completely off the rails only because of Bernier being injured?

I don't think so.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Dec 17 @ 10:50 AM ET
toronto has the best record in their division, and third best in the Conference.
They also have the best home record in their division, so if they can play .500 on the road (or better) for the remainder of the season, they're pretty much a lock for the playoffs





PITTSBURGH .733
NY ISLANDERS .677
toronto .661
MONTREAL .656
DETROIT .656
TAMPA BAY .652
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: long friend time friend, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008
Dec 17 @ 2:22 PM ET
toronto has the best record in their division, and third best in the Conference.
They also have the best home record in their division, so if they can play .500 on the road (or better) for the remainder of the season, they're pretty much a lock for the playoffs





PITTSBURGH .733
NY ISLANDERS .677
toronto .661
MONTREAL .656
DETROIT .656
TAMPA BAY .652
- Doppleganger


Question? Why are you so petty that you don't capitilize the word Toronto?
Mr_Squeaks
Ottawa Senators
Location: Location: Location: Glitch in
Joined: 06.26.2006
Dec 17 @ 2:23 PM ET
Question? Why are you so petty that you don't capitilize the word Toronto?
- Cape Breton Bruins


He's been doing it for so long that the moment he hits that Shift key, the internet will explode. Or at least everybody here would make a huge deal out of it.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Dec 18 @ 12:01 AM ET
Fact is, does goaltending wins you games? Of course.

Does an injury can send a team into a 10 games tail spin? Of course.

Did the Leafs went completely off the rails only because of Bernier being injured?

I don't think so.
- Pecafan Fan


Bernier being injured was the final straw. They're not a good possession team, so they rely on maintaining a high PDO. Last season that was driven by Bernier being Bernier, and the top line being insane. Top line dried up, PDO started falling, Bernier got injured, it plummeted.



Hopefully this year's depth keeps that from happening, because their possession numbers still suck.
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005
Dec 18 @ 12:23 AM ET
Bernier being injured was the final straw. They're not a good possession team, so they rely on maintaining a high PDO. Last season that was driven by Bernier being Bernier, and the top line being insane. Top line dried up, PDO started falling, Bernier got injured, it plummeted.



Hopefully this year's depth keeps that from happening, because their possession numbers still suck.
- Feeling Glucky?

Their cf% is terrible this year but their cf% was record breakingly bad last season so they've still improved a lot.
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005
Dec 22 @ 9:31 AM ET
It's still the LEAFS but they are currently trending downward. Will need an update on this next month sometime.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Dec 22 @ 10:02 AM ET
It's still the LEAFS but they are currently trending downward. Will need an update on this next month sometime.
- daeth



fire Carlyle now
See if there is any change ..then make roster moves
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Dec 22 @ 11:33 AM ET
fire Carlyle now
See if there is any change ..then make roster moves
- senstroll


WOW, you've got a short leash.

With a .603 record, and a more than 75% chance of making the playoffs, I think his job is safe.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Dec 22 @ 11:34 AM ET
WOW, you've got a short leash.

With a .603 record, and a more than 75% chance of making the playoffs, I think his job is safe.
- Doppleganger


The problem with the Leafs is how they lose.

More often than not, when they lose, they lose (frank)ing big.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Dec 22 @ 12:00 PM ET
WOW, you've got a short leash.

With a .603 record, and a more than 75% chance of making the playoffs, I think his job is safe.
- Doppleganger



I dont have a short Leash...I have been praying they fire RC for almost 2 years now
I dont care that they are winning... its not sustainable
they are sliding back down the possession rankings and solely relying in high PDO (again) for wins

Time to stop the madness..fire the coach and see if the team can improve...if not then start to dismantle ... Bozak, Lupul and Dion are the ones I would try my best to move
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Dec 22 @ 12:03 PM ET
I dont have a short Leash...I have been praying they fire RC for almost 2 years now
I dont care that they are winning... its not sustainable
they are sliding back down the possession rankings and solely relying in high PDO (again) for wins

Time to stop the madness..fire the coach and see if the team can improve...if not then start to dismantle ... Bozak, Lupul and Dion are the ones I would try my best to move
- senstroll


The only way Carlyle gets fired is if they slide out of a playoff spot in the next few weeks, imho. Or at the end of the season if they miss the playoffs by a few points.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Dec 22 @ 12:10 PM ET
The only way Carlyle gets fired is if they slide out of a playoff spot in the next few weeks, imho. Or at the end of the season if they miss the playoffs by a few points.
- Pecafan Fan


Don't se them missing the playoffs.

It would take three teams to pass them to knock them out of the WC spot they now have.

The "playoff odds" are definitely in their favour, it would take an even more monumental collapse than last year for this to happen. They just need to play a shade over .500 for the rest of the season to end up with 93-96 points, enough to get in the playoffs in the East.
Mr_Squeaks
Ottawa Senators
Location: Location: Location: Glitch in
Joined: 06.26.2006
Dec 22 @ 12:33 PM ET
Don't se them missing the playoffs.

It would take three teams to pass them to knock them out of the WC spot they now have.

The "playoff odds" are definitely in their favour, it would take an even more monumental collapse than last year for this to happen. They just need to play a shade over .500 for the rest of the season to end up with 93-96 points, enough to get in the playoffs in the East.
- Doppleganger


It's a lot easier to slide than to climb - but if they can avoid the slide (referred to by some as Kessel Gravity) then Carlyle probably holds onto the job as if it was his doing and not just a team growing into their skillset.
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005
Dec 22 @ 2:38 PM ET
The problem with the Leafs is how they lose.

More often than not, when they lose, they lose (frank)ing big.
- Pecafan Fan

Sounds like the Habs except far more frequent.

Far, far more frequent.
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005
Dec 22 @ 2:38 PM ET
fire Carlyle now
See if there is any change ..then make roster moves
- senstroll

They'll still be stuck with a bunch of chumps.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Dec 22 @ 3:10 PM ET
Don't se them missing the playoffs.

It would take three teams to pass them to knock them out of the WC spot they now have.

The "playoff odds" are definitely in their favour, it would take an even more monumental collapse than last year for this to happen. They just need to play a shade over .500 for the rest of the season to end up with 93-96 points, enough to get in the playoffs in the East.
- Doppleganger


Florida I see passing them..and I could see Boston as well
its far from close to a guarantee..those 2 teams are 4 and 5 points behind..and Florida has 3 games in hand

we know the leafs can going on huge losing streaks just as easy as winning..so put your money on them missing now
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Dec 22 @ 3:13 PM ET
Sounds like the Habs except far more frequent.

Far, far more frequent.
- daeth


Yeah the Habs have a lot of very high highs, and very low lows.
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005
Dec 22 @ 3:19 PM ET
Yeah the Habs have a lot of very high highs, and very low lows.
- Pecafan Fan

They only have 11 losses but look at this crap

7-1
3-0
6-2
5-0
4-0
5-0

It's really odd.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Dec 22 @ 3:28 PM ET
They only have 11 losses but look at this crap

7-1
3-0
6-2
5-0
4-0
5-0

It's really odd.
- daeth


Yeah, it's like they decide to completely not show up once every 6-7 games or so. Very weird.
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: long friend time friend, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008
Dec 22 @ 4:15 PM ET
Guys don't forget about the Bruins, they (frank)ing suck too.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Dec 22 @ 4:17 PM ET
Guys don't forget about the Bruins, they (frank)ing suck too.
- Cape Breton Bruins
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