Carlyle, who was the problem last year, too.


Bernier's injury wasn't the sole reason the Leafs ranked, it was the straw that broke the camel's back.
- Feeling Glucky?

I think it's time you realize Bernier isn't all that good.

As I said already, Bernier=Reimer

I think it's time you realize Bernier isn't all that good.

As I said already, Bernier=Reimer
- Pecafan Fan

Well, if you say so.

Well, if you say so.
- Feeling Glucky?

Their career numbers suggest I'm right.


Wins, losses, number of games played, SV%, GAA.

Everything is almost identical.





Because he was in LA doesn't mean he's better than Reimer.

Carlyle, bro.
- Pecafan Fan

Right. Ty

Maybe the team (frank)ing sucks? Just a thought?

Maybe the team (frank)ing sucks? Just a thought?
- Cape Breton Bruins

NO WAY BRO!

The top ten teams currently with the highest Payrolls in the NHL are

Blackhawks
Rangers
Kings
Flyers
Penguins
leafs
Capitals
Lightning
Wings
Oilers


The underlined teams currently are not seeded in a playoff spot.

Some people contend that you have to pretty much spend to the Cap ceiling in order to win the Cup, so there has to be another reason why these underlined teams find themselves out of the playoffs at this time.

The Kings are tied ( in points ) with the last Wildcard team in the West, the leafs Oilers and Flyers are in the bottom third of the league in P%.....


These three teams ( in the bottom third P% ) need to do something different than just the normal retooling.

A big trade to open up Cap space for next season?

Tank to improve their draft position for the Entry Draft?

Their career numbers suggest I'm right.


Wins, losses, number of games played, SV%, GAA.

Everything is almost identical.





Because he was in LA doesn't mean he's better than Reimer.
- Pecafan Fan

Well, since Bernier got here, he's been better, statistically speaking across the board, and beat Reimer out for the starter position, and generally just plays better, but that's probably not worth mentioning.

Well, since Bernier got here, he's been better, statistically speaking across the board, and beat Reimer out for the starter position, and generally just plays better, but that's probably not worth mentioning.
- Feeling Glucky?

He didn't beat Reimer for the starter position.

It was given to Bernier.

Edit: and I honestly don't care about what you think, because, well, the numbers say your impressions are wrong. Bernier isn't better than Reimer. They're pretty much the same.

He didn't beat Reimer for the starter position.

It was given to Bernier.

Edit: and I honestly don't care about what you think, because, well, the numbers say your impressions are wrong. Bernier isn't better than Reimer. They're pretty much the same.
- Pecafan Fan

"i don't care if he's not better, we gave up a second round pick for him, he plays!"
-actual quote.

But you're right. The numbers that clearly point to one goalie being better obviously show that they're actually equal.

"i don't care if he's not better, we gave up a second round pick for him, he plays!"
-actual quote.

But you're right. The numbers that clearly point to one goalie being better obviously show that they're actually equal.
- Feeling Glucky?

What numbers?


edit: the numbers show that the more Bernier plays, the more his play suffers as the season goes. Softies after softies, early game goals against, etc.

he's nothing special.

What numbers?


edit: the numbers show that the more Bernier plays, the more his play suffers as the season goes. Softies after softies, early game goals against, etc.

he's nothing special.
- Pecafan Fan

Since coming to the Leafs, Bernier has posted a better GAA, SV%, and the Leafs have a better record with him in net than with Reimer.

But outside of those numbers, yea, the stats totally show they're the same goalie.

Since coming to the Leafs, Bernier has posted a better GAA, SV%, and the Leafs have a better record with him in net than with Reimer.

But outside of those numbers, yea, the stats totally show they're the same goalie.
- Feeling Glucky?

What's Bernier's sv% with the Leafs? .918 to Reimer's .913?


MUCH better.

What's Bernier's sv% with the Leafs? .918 to Reimer's .913?


MUCH better.
- Pecafan Fan

.909 for Reimer, .918 for Bernier.

.909 for Reimer, .918 for Bernier.
- Feeling Glucky?

Oh so you don't count all of Reimer's time in TO, you take the numbers since he's been thrown under the bus by the Leafs organisation and relegated to a backup role?

Why not compare both player's careers since they played pretty much the same number of games and Reimer only ever played in Toronto as a starter and Bernier only ever played in Toronto as a starter?



Probably because those numbers are too similar...

Oh so you don't count all of Reimer's time in TO, you take the numbers since he's been thrown under the bus by the Leafs organisation and relegated to a backup role?

Why not compare both player's careers since they played pretty much the same number of games and Reimer only ever played in Toronto as a starter and Bernier only ever played in Toronto as a starter?



Probably because those numbers are too similar...
- Pecafan Fan

before this season started I had them both pretty much the same. Bernier is starting to pull away now imo as the better goalie

still not enough data to say Bernier is above average as a starter..but its looking like it.

Their career numbers suggest I'm right.


Wins, losses, number of games played, SV%, GAA.

Everything is almost identical.





Because he was in LA doesn't mean he's better than Reimer.
- Pecafan Fan

Something like 4 or 5 habs goalies in a row all had better numbers than price, and all the idiot habs fans still insisted he was amazing.

At least 10 goalies in the NHL all have better numbers than price in all the things you say.

But somehow you still argue he's elite.

The top ten teams currently with the highest Payrolls in the NHL are

Blackhawks
Rangers
Kings
Flyers
Penguins
leafs
Capitals
Lightning
Wings
Oilers


The underlined teams currently are not seeded in a playoff spot.

Some people contend that you have to pretty much spend to the Cap ceiling in order to win the Cup, so there has to be another reason why these underlined teams find themselves out of the playoffs at this time.

The Kings are tied ( in points ) with the last Wildcard team in the West, the leafs Oilers and Flyers are in the bottom third of the league in P%.....


These three teams ( in the bottom third P% ) need to do something different than just the normal retooling.

A big trade to open up Cap space for next season?

Tank to improve their draft position for the Entry Draft?
- Doppleganger

he points out the kings. Dopes is dumb as a rock. Dumber than a rock. A rock at least knows when to shut up.

That's the kind of stupidity that ends up at Carleton.

Hearing lots of leafs trade rumours involving Dion Phaneuf,Phil Kessel & Joffrey Lupul.

Might be a sign that the leaf are leaning towards being sellers at the trade deadline.......but probably mostly rumours though, as this is part of the soap opera that happens when the same team starts the season strong, and then coming crashing right back down to earth again, like last year.


http://www.thespec.com/sp...rl-around-slumping-leafs/
- Doppleganger

So what's the soap opera going on in Ottawa?

"Who do we trade? We can't, they're all junk."

Something like 4 or 5 habs goalies in a row all had better numbers than price, and all the idiot habs fans still insisted he was amazing.

At least 10 goalies in the NHL all have better numbers than price in all the things you say.

But somehow you still argue he's elite.
- prock

Are you even watching the nhl or do you always completely talk out of your ass?

Bernier is amazing.

Elite.

Fire Carlyle!!!!

Are you even watching the nhl or do you always completely talk out of your ass?
- Pecafan Fan

So but hurt.

Too bad its true. Any time you start naming all the goaliesbwith better stats you get "but his defence sucks he's the bestest I swear it"

Now we get morons like you talking about reimers stats being as good.

I would bet you were one of the brain dead idiots that would reply with "but halak only faced bad teams it doesn't count"..../

Oh so you don't count all of Reimer's time in TO, you take the numbers since he's been thrown under the bus by the Leafs organisation and relegated to a backup role?

Why not compare both player's careers since they played pretty much the same number of games and Reimer only ever played in Toronto as a starter and Bernier only ever played in Toronto as a starter?



Probably because those numbers are too similar...
- Pecafan Fan

Because they played on different teams in different conferences. Comparing them behind the same forwards and defense makes more sense.

Fire Carlyle!!!!
- Pecafan Fan

Because Horachek is on pace for a jack adams