No, I conceded to your superior assessment of the situation back on the last page. The leafs brain trust were completly happy will ALL aspects of little willies' overall game play at the WJC, and that's why they sent him back to the SHL.

All those NHL scouts that make their living evaluating young prospects at the WJC were all wrong about him. Little willie was right on track with his development and there was no need for the leafs brain trust to promote him to the AHL, just as they should have done at the end of training camp.







Now back to reality, why did they promote him to the AHL, if as you claim there wee no problems with his game, and he was the best player to ever play at the WJC and lead his team to the double super gold extreme medal?
- Doppleganger

I don't know if you've seen this or not, but give it a read, very interesting:

1. William Nylander, C, Toronto Maple Leafs (previous ranking: 4)
Current team: Toronto Marlies (AHL) | 2014-15 stats: 21 GP 8 G 12 A
DOB: 5-1-96 | Draft: No. 8, 2014

The top group were all close for me, and I would not say that putting Nylander No. 1 was an easy call. I leaned toward him because he stands out. His skill level is unique, his play in Sweden this year has been unique, the way he weaves through the neutral zone and gains the blue line effortlessly is unique. He's by no means a perfect player -- he has to improve his play off the puck and get a lot stronger -- but the upside is quite tantalizing.

Here's an interesting something I dug up:

1. William Nylander, C, Toronto Maple Leafs (previous ranking: 4)
Current team: Toronto Marlies (AHL) | 2014-15 stats: 21 GP 8 G 12 A
DOB: 5-1-96 | Draft: No. 8, 2014

The top group were all close for me, and I would not say that putting Nylander No. 1 was an easy call. I leaned toward him because he stands out. His skill level is unique, his play in Sweden this year has been unique, the way he weaves through the neutral zone and gains the blue line effortlessly is unique. He's by no means a perfect player -- he has to improve his play off the puck and get a lot stronger -- but the upside is quite tantalizing.
- Feeling Glucky?

link doesnt work

link doesnt work
- the_cause2000

apologies:

http://insider.espn.go.co...-50-drafted-prospects-nhl


1. William Nylander, C, Toronto Maple Leafs (previous ranking: 4)
Current team: Toronto Marlies (AHL) | 2014-15 stats: 21 GP 8 G 12 A
DOB: 5-1-96 | Draft: No. 8, 2014

The top group were all close for me, and I would not say that putting Nylander No. 1 was an easy call. I leaned toward him because he stands out. His skill level is unique, his play in Sweden this year has been unique, the way he weaves through the neutral zone and gains the blue line effortlessly is unique. He's by no means a perfect player -- he has to improve his play off the puck and get a lot stronger -- but the upside is quite tantalizing.


It's interesting that he couldn't find a single Ottawa prospect worth putting in the top-50, either.

apologies:

http://insider.espn.go.co...-50-drafted-prospects-nhl


1. William Nylander, C, Toronto Maple Leafs (previous ranking: 4)
Current team: Toronto Marlies (AHL) | 2014-15 stats: 21 GP 8 G 12 A
DOB: 5-1-96 | Draft: No. 8, 2014

The top group were all close for me, and I would not say that putting Nylander No. 1 was an easy call. I leaned toward him because he stands out. His skill level is unique, his play in Sweden this year has been unique, the way he weaves through the neutral zone and gains the blue line effortlessly is unique. He's by no means a perfect player -- he has to improve his play off the puck and get a lot stronger -- but the upside is quite tantalizing.


It's interesting that he couldn't find a single Ottawa prospect worth putting in the top-50, either.
- Feeling Glucky?

i disagree

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ESPN: The #1 Source for everything hockey related.
- Pecafan Fan

don't you see the "insider" part?

Jesus Christ dopps you're obsessed.
- Cape Breton Bruins

He keeps bringing it up.

All I did was pass on what Mike Zeisberger reported.

He can't accept what Mike Zeisberger wrote, and said on Sportsnet, if he drops it, I will too, but he wants to change reality to fit his perfect world view.

He keeps bringing it up.

All I did was pass on what Mike Zeisberger reported.

He can't accept what Mike Zeisberger wrote, and said on Sportsnet, if he drops it, I will too, but he wants to change reality to fit his perfect world view.
- Doppleganger

but did you see this?

1. William Nylander, C, Toronto Maple Leafs (previous ranking: 4)
Current team: Toronto Marlies (AHL) | 2014-15 stats: 21 GP 8 G 12 A
DOB: 5-1-96 | Draft: No. 8, 2014

The top group were all close for me, and I would not say that putting Nylander No. 1 was an easy call. I leaned toward him because he stands out. His skill level is unique, his play in Sweden this year has been unique, the way he weaves through the neutral zone and gains the blue line effortlessly is unique. He's by no means a perfect player -- he has to improve his play off the puck and get a lot stronger -- but the upside is quite tantalizing.

Here's an interesting something I dug up:

1. William Nylander, C, Toronto Maple Leafs (previous ranking: 4)
Current team: Toronto Marlies (AHL) | 2014-15 stats: 21 GP 8 G 12 A
DOB: 5-1-96 | Draft: No. 8, 2014

The top group were all close for me, and I would not say that putting Nylander No. 1 was an easy call. I leaned toward him because he stands out. His skill level is unique, his play in Sweden this year has been unique, the way he weaves through the neutral zone and gains the blue line effortlessly is unique. He's by no means a perfect player -- he has to improve his play off the puck and get a lot stronger -- but the upside is quite tantalizing.
- Feeling Glucky?

And that is exactly what I heard Mike Zeisberger say on Sportsnet. I don't have problem with it at all.

I also pointed out back in October that he should have been sent to the AHL to begin with. What was the point of sending his to the SHL??? His future is in the NHL, and the AHL should have been the first choice for his development.

Perhaps our friend does not like to think that perhaps I hit on something that the leafs brain trust finally realized wen they saw his performance at the WJC.

And that is exactly what I heard Mike Zeisberger say on Sportsnet. I don't have problem with it at all.

I also pointed out back in October that he should have been sent to the AHL to begin with. What was the point of sending his to the SHL??? His future is in the NHL, and the AHL should have been the first choice for his development.

Perhaps our friend does not like to think that perhaps I hit on something that the leafs brain trust finally realized wen they saw his performance at the WJC.
- Doppleganger

But look here:

1. William Nylander, C, Toronto Maple Leafs (previous ranking: 4)
Current team: Toronto Marlies (AHL) | 2014-15 stats: 21 GP 8 G 12 A
DOB: 5-1-96 | Draft: No. 8, 2014

The top group were all close for me, and I would not say that putting Nylander No. 1 was an easy call. I leaned toward him because he stands out. His skill level is unique, his play in Sweden this year has been unique, the way he weaves through the neutral zone and gains the blue line effortlessly is unique. He's by no means a perfect player -- he has to improve his play off the puck and get a lot stronger -- but the upside is quite tantalizing.

But look here:

1. William Nylander, C, Toronto Maple Leafs (previous ranking: 4)
Current team: Toronto Marlies (AHL) | 2014-15 stats: 21 GP 8 G 12 A
DOB: 5-1-96 | Draft: No. 8, 2014

The top group were all close for me, and I would not say that putting Nylander No. 1 was an easy call. I leaned toward him because he stands out. His skill level is unique, his play in Sweden this year has been unique, the way he weaves through the neutral zone and gains the blue line effortlessly is unique. He's by no means a perfect player -- he has to improve his play off the puck and get a lot stronger -- but the upside is quite tantalizing.
- Feeling Glucky?

Am I arguing with you? Am I disputing what scouts who watched him play are saying? Am I demanding you post a quote like our little friend was?

Proof, or it didn't happen.

What was not to like?
- burn

Am I arguing with you? Am I disputing what scouts who watched him play are saying? Am I demanding you post a quote?
- Doppleganger

Here's a direct quote from an impartial scout:

1. William Nylander, C, Toronto Maple Leafs (previous ranking: 4)
Current team: Toronto Marlies (AHL) | 2014-15 stats: 21 GP 8 G 12 A
DOB: 5-1-96 | Draft: No. 8, 2014

The top group were all close for me, and I would not say that putting Nylander No. 1 was an easy call. I leaned toward him because he stands out. His skill level is unique, his play in Sweden this year has been unique, the way he weaves through the neutral zone and gains the blue line effortlessly is unique. He's by no means a perfect player -- he has to improve his play off the puck and get a lot stronger -- but the upside is quite tantalizing.

Ottawa Senators .500 P%
toronto leafs .500 P%


Ottawa has Three games in hand

Ottawa will be forced to make some roster moves very soon, as some of their injured players have started to come back, and are re joining the Roster.

First Methot, and now Neil tonight. Seems as though it's Greening that will be put up on waivers, and I would not be surprised if they send Lazar back to Junior before he plays his 35th game in the NHL.


leafs top scoring line
Tyler Bozak -12
Phil Kessel - 14
James van Riemsdyk - 17

Ottawas' top scoring line
Mike Hoffman + 18
Bobby Ryan + 9
Mika Zibanejad + 1


As of today, Ottawa is in a better situation than the leafs.

But they could lose tonight in MSG, and then the leafs would be.

Ottawa Senators .500 P%
toronto leafs .500 P%


Ottawa has Three games in hand

Ottawa will be forced to make some roster moves very soon, as some of their injured players have started to come back, and are re joining the Roster.

First Methot, and now Neil tonight. Seems as though it's Greening that will be put up on waivers, and I would not be surprised if they send Lazar back to Junior before he plays his 35th game in the NHL.


leafs top scoring line
Tyler Bozak -12
Phil Kessel - 14
James van Riemsdyk - 17

Ottawas' top scoring line
Mike Hoffman + 18
Bobby Ryan + 9
Mika Zibanejad + 1


As of today, Ottawa is in a better situation than the leafs.

But they could lose tonight in MSG, and then the leafs would be.
- Doppleganger

Toronto is undoubtably in a better position than the Senators, who are playing themselves into a mediocre draft pick, with an already sub-mediocre prospect pool.

No help from within coming, and no money to add players.


Meanwhile, the Leafs have this guy:

1. William Nylander, C, Toronto Maple Leafs (previous ranking: 4)
Current team: Toronto Marlies (AHL) | 2014-15 stats: 21 GP 8 G 12 A
DOB: 5-1-96 | Draft: No. 8, 2014

The top group were all close for me, and I would not say that putting Nylander No. 1 was an easy call. I leaned toward him because he stands out. His skill level is unique, his play in Sweden this year has been unique, the way he weaves through the neutral zone and gains the blue line effortlessly is unique. He's by no means a perfect player -- he has to improve his play off the puck and get a lot stronger -- but the upside is quite tantalizing.

Something like 4 or 5 habs goalies in a row all had better numbers than price, and all the idiot habs fans still insisted he was amazing.

At least 10 goalies in the NHL all have better numbers than price in all the things you say.

But somehow you still argue he's elite.
- prock

Are are you saying price is not an elite goalie?

Are are you saying price is not an elite goalie?
- jordan456789

Answer the damn question.

WHO is in a better situation: LEAFS or SENS?

Are are you saying price is not an elite goalie?
- jordan456789

And while (prock) he's at it, could he comment on Anderson, who could not possibly play as well as he did in 2007-08, 2008-09, 2009-10, 2011-12, 2012-13, and 2013-14, is doing so far this season.

Ottawa Senators .500 P%
toronto leafs .500 P%


Ottawa has Three games in hand

Ottawa will be forced to make some roster moves very soon, as some of their injured players have started to come back, and are re joining the Roster.

First Methot, and now Neil tonight. Seems as though it's Greening that will be put up on waivers, and I would not be surprised if they send Lazar back to Junior before he plays his 35th game in the NHL.


leafs top scoring line
Tyler Bozak -12
Phil Kessel - 14
James van Riemsdyk - 17

Ottawas' top scoring line
Mike Hoffman + 18
Bobby Ryan + 9
Mika Zibanejad + 1


As of today, Ottawa is in a better situation than the leafs.

But they could lose tonight in MSG, and then the leafs would be.
- Doppleganger

i really wan the sens to pass the leafs... sens can draft 12th.. thats fine

So what's the soap opera going on in Ottawa?

"Who do we trade? We can't, they're all junk."
- prock

Sorry, the Soap Opera is an exclusive property of the leafs.

It's the same old tried and true plot for the past decade or longer now. Bring in a Saviour GM, Bring in a Saviour Coach, fire the Saviour GM, fire the Saviour Coach, sign a Saviour UFA have a great start to the season and get out and paint the line on Younge Street to make the in evitable Stanley Cup Parade route, then the mid to late season collapse...............need i go one we've all seen this many times.


Nothing like this happens in another NHL city that I've ever heard.

i really wan the sens to pass the leafs... sens can draft 12th.. thats fine
- senstroll

I would think you'd want your team to make the playoffs and compete for the Stanley Cup.

I would think you'd want your team to make the playoffs and compete for the Stanley Cup.
- Doppleganger

Would you agree that it doesn't appear that the Leafs can do that this year?

If yes, why not get a better pick. I think that's his reasoning.

Phaneuf is one of the better two way defenseman around.
- prock

31 D men have more points (as of today) so that's not too bad


192 D men have better plus/minus ratings



Phaneuf has 22 points, and is a minus 3 and has a total TOI of 1,093:16

Karlsson has 30 points, and is a minus 5 and has total TOI of 1,196:03

That's a difference of approximately 1.7 games more of ice time for Karlsson, than Phaneuf (if my math is right).

Would you agree that it doesn't appear that the Leafs can do that this year?

If yes, why not get a better pick. I think that's his reasoning.
- daeth

Which is why at this point, the senators passing the Leafs would be awesome. No good postseason experience, and no good draft pick for them, the Leaf's combo!


I hope they climb high enough that they trade their first for help to get to 9th place!

Would you agree that it doesn't appear that the Leafs can do that this year?

If yes, why not get a better pick. I think that's his reasoning.
- daeth

As a leaf fan, do you dream more of your team winning the Stanley Cup, or getting a better draft pick?

Would you support a team, that would do whatever it took to throw the season, in order to get a better shot at a top draft pick?

Which is why at this point, the senators passing the Leafs would be awesome. No good postseason experience, and no good draft pick for them, the Leaf's combo!


I hope they climb high enough that they trade their first for help to get to 9th place!
- Feeling Glucky?

How about trading a first for this years Draft, a first in next years' Draft and a second rounder too, for Kessel?