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Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Feb 17 @ 10:55 AM ET
the sens dont have a lot of choice.. they cant spend top the cap..so they have to rely on picks.

But i dont see a lot of high end talent in the prospects...a few nice pieces with some upside but not much else imo
- senstroll


Yeah, not yet anyway.
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009
Feb 17 @ 11:04 AM ET
the sens dont have a lot of choice.. they cant spend top the cap..so they have to rely on picks.

But i dont see a lot of high end talent in the prospects...a few nice pieces with some upside but not much else imo
- senstroll


not even gonna mention karlsson....

ceci, zibby, hoffman, stone are already playing important top 6/4 roles, and with the exception of hoffman, are all under the age of 22. lehner will be a very good #1 goalie. lazar has lots of potential

that's 6 guys already playing very well at the NHL level, at an incredibly young age (7 if you include karlsson). there obviously aren't any hart trophy winners in there, but there aren't many teams who have that much youth, playing that well at the NHL level.

i'm not saying ottawa has the best prospect pool in the league (although if those guys were still prospects, ottawa would be up there), but they have a very very good collection of young players
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005
Feb 17 @ 11:19 AM ET
should we list the leafs draft picks over the last 6-7 years....
- sensarmy_11

i think you will find they have a 50 year history of terrible drafting thank you very much
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Feb 17 @ 11:19 AM ET
you are clueless
- senstroll


http://www.hockeysfuture.com

William Nylander is a very skilled forward with slick puck skills and the offensive acuity to be a very productive forward in the NHL one day. The maple leafs are no doubt pleased to add a player of his offensive skill to the fold. Nylander may have little left to prove in his native Sweden, but his game will probably not translate immediately to North American hockey. He will need to work on his strength to be able to compete effectively, and his decisions will need to come more quickly. While some of the creativity is inevitably worked out of a young natural’s game by NHL coaches, Nylander should be able to develop into a very productive pro if he can adjust his skills to his team’s needs.
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005
Feb 17 @ 11:23 AM ET
It's not great.

But you can't deny the Sens are building through the draft.

That doesn't mean it'll be successful in the long run, though.
- Pecafan Fan

the ryan thing kinda killed that. theyre half assed building through the draft leafs style
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Feb 17 @ 11:29 AM ET
the ryan thing kinda killed that. theyre half assed building through the draft leafs style
- daeth


Man you're not getting it are you. The Senators have anywhere between 12 and 18 players they drafted each and every game they've played this season.


Please name one team in the NHL today, that has a roster with 100% of players they've drafted, in their line up.
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005
Feb 17 @ 11:30 AM ET
Man you're not getting it are you. The Senators have anywhere between 12 and 18 players they drafted each and every game they've played this season.


Please name one team in the NHL today, that has a roster with 100% of players they've drafted, in their line up.



- Doppleganger

ya and they suck

half assed
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Feb 17 @ 11:39 AM ET
ya and they suck

half assed
- daeth



Did not think you'd attempt an answer.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Feb 17 @ 12:09 PM ET
Did not think you'd attempt an answer.
- Doppleganger


2014 - missed playoffs
2015 - missed playoffs

seems to be working well
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Feb 17 @ 12:16 PM ET
2014 - missed playoffs
2015 - missed playoffs

seems to be working well
- senstroll




Yeah, I know, Spezza's request for a trade was always part of the plan, right?




But yes, this is the first time in 19 years that the Senators have missed the playoffs in consecutive years.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Feb 17 @ 1:28 PM ET
Yeah, I know, Spezza's request for a trade was always part of the plan, right?




But yes, this is the first time in 19 years that the Senators have missed the playoffs in consecutive years.
- Doppleganger


since the 3 year rebuild started in 2011, when do you see the sens making that next step in the 3 years rebuild plan?

has this now been adjusted to a 5 year or 7 year plan?
with all those great home grown players when can we expect the sens to be back in the playoffs?
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008
Feb 17 @ 1:39 PM ET
since the 3 year rebuild started in 2011, when do you see the sens making that next step in the 3 years rebuild plan?

has this now been adjusted to a 5 year or 7 year plan?
with all those great home grown players when can we expect the sens to be back in the playoffs?
- senstroll
Thats what teams tell fans ,nobody wants to hear we are going to change every core piece on the roster ,it could take 5 to 10
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007
Feb 17 @ 2:13 PM ET
Thats what teams tell fans ,nobody wants to hear we are going to change every core piece on the roster ,it could take 5 to 10
- top shelf 15


Sens are in great shape. Love the team, love the patient approach.

Need to understand when Leaf fans get down on the blue and white they try and swarm another team with invective so they wan't have to notice what is taking place in their own back yard.

For the most part Sens fans love where their team is at. Leaf fans, on the other hand, believe they have been deceived and are angry and jealous of other fans contentment.
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005
Feb 17 @ 2:45 PM ET
well lets see

the sens top players are in their prime (not going to get better), they have no elite prospects, and they currently suck but not enough to get a good pick. the fact that we're even comparing them to the leafs says it all really.
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008
Feb 17 @ 3:58 PM ET
well lets see

the sens top players are in their prime (not going to get better), they have no elite prospects, and they currently suck but not enough to get a good pick. the fact that we're even comparing them to the leafs says it all really.
- daeth

Tell us more about Jerry D,amigo,Or How Ben Scrivens is an elite goalie propsect,
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Feb 17 @ 4:35 PM ET
Sens are in great shape. Love the team, love the patient approach.


- spatso


Spatso
2011 - Sens are in great shape. Love the team, love the patient approach.
2012 - Sens are in great shape. Love the team, love the patient approach.
2013 - Sens are in great shape. Love the team, love the patient approach.
2014 - Sens are in great shape. Love the team, love the patient approach.
2015 - Sens are in great shape. Love the team, love the patient approach.

I wonder what you will say in 2016
Can't wait!
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007
Feb 17 @ 4:59 PM ET
Spatso
2011 - Sens are in great shape. Love the team, love the patient approach.
2012 - Sens are in great shape. Love the team, love the patient approach.
2013 - Sens are in great shape. Love the team, love the patient approach.
2014 - Sens are in great shape. Love the team, love the patient approach.
2015 - Sens are in great shape. Love the team, love the patient approach.

I wonder what you will say in 2016
Can't wait!
- senstroll


Best 3 year rebuild I’ve ever seen. They’re sneaky, putting together a terrible team with no top prospects, those Sens. Definitely the unorthodox approach to a rebuild. Who says you need good players!?!?!?!?!
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005
Feb 17 @ 5:04 PM ET
Tell us more about Jerry D,amigo,Or How Ben Scrivens is an elite goalie propsect,
- top shelf 15

the leafs have been bad for the better part of 50 years, preach on
jordan456789
Joined: 10.27.2007
Feb 17 @ 5:05 PM ET
Best 3 year rebuild I’ve ever seen. They’re sneaky, putting together a terrible team with no top prospects, those Sens. Definitely the unorthodox approach to a rebuild. Who says you need good players!?!?!?!?!
- prock


Compared to the leafs who have been garbage for 10 years and just starting a rebuild. Must suck being a leaf fan
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007
Feb 17 @ 5:10 PM ET
Compared to the leafs who have been garbage for 10 years and just starting a rebuild. Must suck being a leaf fan
- jordan456789


You better be just getting home from school kid. Were you in English class today?
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007
Feb 17 @ 5:50 PM ET
Compared to the leafs who have been garbage for 10 years and just starting a rebuild. Must suck being a leaf fan
- jordan456789


If you project out 3 to 4 years before the leafs contend for a playoff spot, it will be one playoff appearance in 13 years. And, Leaf fans presume to tell others about their inadequacy.

I am actually pleased the Leafs are going to do a proper rebuild. They will be seeking a lottery selection next text year. It is the right way to go.

Curios To see the denial of some of the posters here. MLSE just authorized blowing the team up. Yet some posters think they are well advanced. They actually only just started.
TheTaoOfSemenko
Vegas Golden Knights
Joined: 07.01.2009
Feb 18 @ 3:14 AM ET
I find much more space in my life since the Oilers have made me stop caring about hockey.

You Leafs fans should do as we do: accept that your team is crap and will be for a long time. It's freeing.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007
Feb 18 @ 6:49 AM ET
I find much more space in my life since the Oilers have made me stop caring about hockey.

You Leafs fans should do as we do: accept that your team is crap and will be for a long time. It's freeing.
- TheTaoOfSemenko



I was in a sports bar in Orlando Saturday afternoon. Huge place, packed with people. Anyway, Chris Neil and the young guy from Edmonton had a great fight. Every Canadian in the room (and there were lots) got pumped real fast, lots of cheering for a great fight.

You might tell yourself you don't care. But, it is in our blood. We cannot deny the passion, we can try and repress it but it will bubble up to the surface.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Feb 18 @ 7:08 AM ET
Spatso
2011 - Sens are in great shape. Love the team, love the patient approach.
2012 - Sens are in great shape. Love the team, love the patient approach.
2013 - Sens are in great shape. Love the team, love the patient approach.
2014 - Sens are in great shape. Love the team, love the patient approach.
2015 - Sens are in great shape. Love the team, love the patient approach.

I wonder what you will say in 2016
Can't wait!
- senstroll
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Feb 18 @ 7:17 AM ET
Tell us more about Jerry D,amigo,Or How Ben Scrivens is an elite goalie propsect,
- top shelf 15

Nonis traded him for Matt (frank)ing Frattin before Shanny could smack the phone out of his hand.
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