I hope to god that the Leafs goal 4-5 years from now isn't to be 11th worst team in the league. If it is they are doing something wrong.
- burn

Look at the Leafs over the past 15 years. They are doing something wrong.

Still the Habs.

Was he playing injured last night?
- Doppleganger

No other explanation possible.

Sens

Well if you're a supporter of a tanking team, then that is how you may look at it.

However as the Senators have been re-building for a few years years now, their "goal" is different than the "goal" of leaf nation.


All of the Senator's young players are making great strides in their development, with a number of older players being our of the line up for extended periods of time, this experience they're getting has build up their confidence that they can play and play well at this level.


For example, Mike Hoffman leads ALL rookies with 23 goals, first in plus minus (+23 ) and is third in Rookie points this season, and Mark Stone is fourth in rookies points and is a +11 player.


Perhaps is four or five years from now the leaf will have a good number of drafted players in their line up and will be doing as well as the Senators are doing now.


Not every team is tanking for the draft, most are trying to win games and develop into contenders, and with that in perspective, Ottawa is miles and miles ahead of the leafs.
- Doppleganger

25 year old "Rookie"

Look at the Leafs over the past 15 years. They are doing something wrong.
- Mr_Squeaks

15 years ago they won the division, spanked the sens in the first round.
14 years ago they got the eighth seed, spanked the sens in the first round with a sweep.
13 years ago they were third in the conference, spanked the sens in the second round, lost in the conference finals to the cup champs.
12 years ago they finished second in the division and lost in the first round.
11 years ago they finished third in the conference, spanked the sens in the first round, lost in the second.
10 years ago was the lockout.

That seems like an odd period to reference and include, especially given the number of embarrassments they handed the sens.

I hope to god that the Leafs goal 4-5 years from now isn't to be 11th worst team in the league. If it is they are doing something wrong.
- burn

Considering they've been rebuilding for a decade 11th worst is something to aspire to.

Sens
- the_cause2000

the leafs have looked good lately though

I hope to god that the Leafs goal 4-5 years from now isn't to be 11th worst team in the league. If it is they are doing something wrong.
- burn

Why should they change the way they do things now?

December 18 @ 12:01 AM ET

Bernier being injured was the final straw. They're not a good possession team, so they rely on maintaining a high PDO. Last season that was driven by Bernier being Bernier, and the top line being insane. Top line dried up, PDO started falling, Bernier got injured, it plummeted.



Hopefully this year's depth keeps that from happening, because their possession numbers still suck.
- Feeling Glucky?

What happened to the depth?

Or is it that Bernier along with Reimer, are both just Back ups?

December 1 @ 4:04 PM ET

Perhaps you should pay a little more attention to the standings right now, as year after year, the teams in playoff positions just after US Thanksgivings are the almost always the teams that go on to the Playoffs at the end of the season. You should be felling good that the leafs are in a playoff spot today as the odds the make the playoffs is pretty good, just shy of 70%.
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- Doppleganger

December 17 @ 10:50 AM ET

toronto has the best record in their division, and third best in the Conference.
They also have the best home record in their division, so if they can play .500 on the road (or better) for the remainder of the season, they're pretty much a lock for the playoffs





PITTSBURGH .733
NY ISLANDERS .677
toronto .661
MONTREAL .656
DETROIT .656
TAMPA BAY .652
- Doppleganger

the leafs have looked good lately though
- daeth

I'm still banking on a 13 game winning streak so I'm going with the Leafs again

I'm still banking on a 13 game winning streak so I'm going with the Leafs again
- daeth

I caught that last 6 minutes of the leaf game last night, and did not notice Kessel once. Was he benched or something? He was a minus 3, and had 2 giveaways, and was wondering he was being sat.

you saw more of the game than i did

you saw more of the game than i did
- daeth

I don't blame you, I would have a hard time watching if the season was done a month ago too.

Maybe the leafs can lobby for a compressed 48 game season.

I don't blame you, I would have a hard time watching if the season was done a month ago too.

Maybe the leafs can lobby for a compressed 48 game season.
- Doppleganger

But you Still watch send games? The season has been done since Christmas.

But you Still watch send games? The season has been done since Christmas.
- prock

the flyers will put the nail in the coffin tonight

December 18 @ 12:01 AM ET





What happened to the depth?

Or is it that Bernier along with Reimer, are both just Back ups?
- Doppleganger

It failed. See how I said the awful possession numbers meant a collapse was likely again?

I don't blame you, I would have a hard time watching if the season was done a month ago too.

Maybe the leafs can lobby for a compressed 48 game season.
- Doppleganger

when on-ice quality drops like we see with the leafs or senators i tend to watch games from more competitive teams instead. i am not just a leafs fan, i enjoy hockey in general, especially when played at a high level.

the flyers will put the nail in the coffin tonight
- Crimsoninja

This i can see we are due, to get our asses kicked

But you Still watch send games? The season has been done since Christmas.
- prock

Still watching as the games are highly entertaining and every player has bought into the coaches game plan and they're all carrying it out each and every game.

No loafers like there are on the leafs, chock full of players who're just gong though the motions and mailing it in, like Kessel, who floats back to maybe the blue-line when he "backchecks" while watching the opponents score on one of the leafs two back up goaltenders.

15 years ago they won the division, spanked the sens in the first round.
14 years ago they got the eighth seed, spanked the sens in the first round with a sweep.
13 years ago they were third in the conference, spanked the sens in the second round, lost in the conference finals to the cup champs.
12 years ago they finished second in the division and lost in the first round.
11 years ago they finished third in the conference, spanked the sens in the first round, lost in the second.
10 years ago was the lockout.

That seems like an odd period to reference and include, especially given the number of embarrassments they handed the sens.
- prock

Did they hang banners for each of those preliminary round wins?

Did they hang banners for each of those preliminary round wins?
- Doppleganger

No, because you dont hang banners for those. But even if they did, it wouldn't be as bad as hanging banners for a different team. One that moved to st Louis.

15 years ago they won the division, spanked the sens in the first round.
14 years ago they got the eighth seed, spanked the sens in the first round with a sweep.
13 years ago they were third in the conference, spanked the sens in the second round, lost in the conference finals to the cup champs.
12 years ago they finished second in the division and lost in the first round.
11 years ago they finished third in the conference, spanked the sens in the first round, lost in the second.
10 years ago was the lockout.

That seems like an odd period to reference and include, especially given the number of embarrassments they handed the sens.
- prock

Wow. The leafs have been terrible for the last 10 years.

Wow. The leafs have been terrible for the last 10 years.
- Pecafan Fan

It's OK.

NOW they're gonna rebuild.