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Schenn-Sational!
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sorry you don't understand...Y
Joined: 10.08.2008
Jul 3 @ 9:12 AM ET
That was not the Senators decision, Alfredsson was an UFA.

Plus he was at the end of his career, and Kessel is not, so not a fair comparison.

Maybe compare the return for Spezza?




But do you think the leaf would have been better off with Seguin and Hamilton today?
- D0PPELGANGER

Neither player lasted very long with the Bruins... And they didn't really get much return on them when all is said and done.




Edit: Spezza got a return?

Kessel, when all is said and done, got two firsts and a second. Kapanen was Pittsburgh's top forward prospect, Harrington their second ranked dman.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015
Jul 3 @ 10:03 AM ET
Do you think the sens would be better off trading Alfredson before the became a UFA?
- senstroll



At his age (40?) he would not have brought much back in return, so no.

Hardly a fair comparison (you're making) to a 27 year old Kessel.


Are you avoiding the "would the leafs have been better off with Seguin & Hamilton than trading for Kessel in the first place" query?
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015
Jul 3 @ 10:11 AM ET
Neither player lasted very long with the Bruins... And they didn't really get much return on them when all is said and done.




Edit: Spezza got a return?

Kessel, when all is said and done, got two firsts and a second. Kapanen was Pittsburgh's top forward prospect, Harrington their second ranked dman.
- Schenn-Sational!



So are you saying that the leafs have NOT been better off with Seguin & Hamilton than trading for Kessel in the first place?


Spezza brought back Alex Chiasson, Nicholas Paul and Alexander Guptill, plus a second-round pick in the 2015 NHL Draft.

I like the 6-foot-4, 225-pound Nick Paul who started on the fourth line at the most recent WJC by the gold medal game he was playing with (Curtis) Lazar and (Connor) McDavid.

He might find himself a call up from Binghamton at some point in the next season.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Jul 3 @ 10:34 AM ET
At his age (40?) he would not have brought much back in return, so no.

Hardly a fair comparison (you're making) to a 27 year old Kessel.


Are you avoiding the "would the leafs have been better off with Seguin & Hamilton than trading for Kessel in the first place" query?
- D0PPELGANGER



No I am pointing out how stupid the question is at this point
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015
Jul 3 @ 10:44 AM ET
No I am pointing out how stupid the question is at this point
- senstroll



You know you don't have to continue to defend the Kessel trade, made by Burke? Neither are connected with the leaf anymore..........except for the 15% of Kessel's salary for the next 7 seasons.

If you could have sent a Trade-Terminator back in time, to prevent the Kessel trade, and the leafs would then have retained their picks, used them to select Seguin and Hamilton......would you do it?

Because if you wouldn't, you're saying the return (from the Penguins) is going to be better than having both Seguin and Hamilton in their line up to start this coming season.
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007
Jul 3 @ 11:01 AM ET
You know you don't have to continue to defend the Kessel trade, made by Burke? Neither are connected with the leaf anymore..........except for the 15% of Kessel's salary for the next 7 seasons.

If you could have sent a Trade-Terminator back in time, to prevent the Kessel trade, and the leafs would then have retained their picks, used them to select Seguin and Hamilton......would you do it?

Because if you wouldn't, you're saying the return (from the Penguins) is going to be better than having both Seguin and Hamilton in their line up to start this coming season.
- D0PPELGANGER


Is anyone on the planet still arguing the Leafs won the Kessel deal with Boston?

It was a deal that Burke rolled the dice on, thinking he'd be dealing mid round 1sts and 2nd, and ended up with the worst case scenario of them ending up lottery picks a year after the deal was made.
Lets say Leafs finish 10th worst that year and the next year - and the trade looks like this : Kessel for Dylan McIlrath, Christian Thomas, Jonas Brodin

The idea for the trade wasnt terrible, the player Burke received was an excellent offensive weapon, but the picks turned out to be more than what Burke and Chiarelli expected. Leafs tank it at worst time and lose trade
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Jul 3 @ 11:16 AM ET
Is anyone on the planet still arguing the Leafs won the Kessel deal with Boston?

It was a deal that Burke rolled the dice on, thinking he'd be dealing mid round 1sts and 2nd, and ended up with the worst case scenario of them ending up lottery picks a year after the deal was made.
Lets say Leafs finish 10th worst that year and the next year - and the trade looks like this : Kessel for Dylan McIlrath, Christian Thomas, Jonas Brodin

The idea for the trade wasnt terrible, the player Burke received was an excellent offensive weapon, but the picks turned out to be more than what Burke and Chiarelli expected. Leafs tank it at worst time and lose trade
- the_cause2000



No..and I never defended it, wasnt the rebuild I had hoped for at the time
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007
Jul 3 @ 11:19 AM ET
No..and I never defended it, wasnt the rebuild I had hoped for at the time
- senstroll

I didnt have a problem with it at the time (again, if Leafs finish 10th worst look at what the trade turns out to be). Kessel is special and was 23 or whatever when they got him.

It just ended up with quite literally the worst case scenario in terms of who the picks turned into
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Jul 3 @ 11:38 AM ET
I didnt have a problem with it at the time (again, if Leafs finish 10th worst look at what the trade turns out to be). Kessel is special and was 23 or whatever when they got him.

It just ended up with quite literally the worst case scenario in terms of who the picks turned into
- the_cause2000


It certainly did
which is why you dont gamble like that without protecting the pick. Burke was an arrogant twat like that
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Jul 3 @ 2:44 PM ET
Ottawa will miss the playoffs next season.








Blue Jackets bump them out.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007
Jul 3 @ 2:55 PM ET
Ottawa will miss the playoffs next season.








Blue Jackets bump them out.
- Pecafan Fan

BUT HAMBURGLAR!!!!!!
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Jul 3 @ 2:58 PM ET
BUT HAMBURGLAR!!!!!!
- Crimsoninja


They'll be scouring the market for a backup goalie by Christmas.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Jul 3 @ 2:58 PM ET
Does scouring make sense here??? I'm not sure.

But whatever.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007
Jul 3 @ 3:01 PM ET
They'll be scouring the market for a backup goalie by Christmas.
- Pecafan Fan
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007
Jul 3 @ 3:01 PM ET
Does scouring make sense here??? I'm not sure.

But whatever.
- Pecafan Fan

it does
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015
Jul 3 @ 3:26 PM ET
Ottawa will miss the playoffs next season.








Blue Jackets bump them out.
- Pecafan Fan



Maybe the Sabres too.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Jul 3 @ 3:29 PM ET
Maybe the Sabres too.
- D0PPELGANGER


Montreal and the Rangers will be in a fierce battle for 5th place.

The Bruins will be a complete (frank)ing disaster (Yay!)
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007
Jul 3 @ 3:30 PM ET
Montreal and the Rangers will be in a fierce battle for 5th place.

The Bruins will be a complete (frank)ing disaster (Yay!)
- Pecafan Fan

WHO is better? Phil Kessel or Bobby Ryan?
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Jul 3 @ 3:33 PM ET
WHO is better? Phil Kessel or Bobby Ryan?
- the_cause2000


Phil Kessel by a a (frank)ing country mile. And then some.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015
Jul 3 @ 3:37 PM ET
WHO is better? Phil Kessel or Bobby Ryan?
- the_cause2000


Phil is no longer in the equation.

Must find another match up.
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007
Jul 3 @ 3:40 PM ET
Phil is no longer in the equation.

Must find another match up.
- D0PPELGANGER

I agree

Can't Wait!
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007
Jul 3 @ 3:40 PM ET
Phil is no longer in the equation.

Must find another match up.
- D0PPELGANGER

i know he also does not fit the parameters but it really does feel good to say and know that Jake Voracek eviscerates Bobby Ryan in all ways
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007
Jul 3 @ 3:46 PM ET
Bernier Vs Hamburlgar
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007
Jul 3 @ 3:49 PM ET
Bernier Vs Hamburlgar
- the_cause2000

i will need more info

what is Bernier's extremely lame and pathetic nickname?
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Jul 3 @ 3:51 PM ET
i will need more info

what is Bernier's extremely lame and pathetic nickname?
- Crimsoninja


probably "Bernsy"
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