If you mean covering up your spending mistakes by shipping out terrible contracts, taking one back and burying them in the AHL or on the IRL.......... then no, toronto has Ottawa beaten in that department,

But when you claim that the Sens have a "Cheap owner" and he's spending just 285K less than the leafs are, on their respective rosters, then you're not making a lot of sense, and seem to be misinformed.

Ottawa's overall salary total has risen as younger players re-sign in the off season, and that's the nature of any level headed re-build. Ottawa is a number of year ahead of where the leafs are, and they will do the same thing once their prospects on the AHL roster make it to the NHL club and move beyond their ELCs.

A few years ago leaf fans were crowing about their team spending to the Cap, as the way to go, and now that they've taken the same route as the Senators have taken, all of a sudden what the leafs are doing is the way to go.

Been there done that.......... Sens are in a better position than the leafs as they're a few years ahead in the same re-build route, and will contend for the Cup sooner.
- D0PPELGANGER

OH.

Leafs actual salary cost: 83mil

Sens actual salary cost: 62mil


Leafs coach: 5mil


Sens coach: 0.99 store

Theyre totally the same.

If you mean covering up your spending mistakes by shipping out terrible contracts, taking one back and burying them in the AHL or on the IRL.......... then no, toronto has Ottawa beaten in that department,

But when you claim that the Sens have a "Cheap owner" and he's spending just 285K less than the leafs are, on their respective rosters, then you're not making a lot of sense, and seem to be misinformed.

Ottawa's overall salary total has risen as younger players re-sign in the off season, and that's the nature of any level headed re-build. Ottawa is a number of year ahead of where the leafs are, and they will do the same thing once their prospects on the AHL roster make it to the NHL club and move beyond their ELCs.

A few years ago leaf fans were crowing about their team spending to the Cap, as the way to go, and now that they've taken the same route as the Senators have taken, all of a sudden what the leafs are doing is the way to go.

Been there done that.......... Sens are in a better position than the leafs as they're a few years ahead in the same re-build route, and will contend for the Cup sooner.
- D0PPELGANGER

With what players?

With what players?
- RogerRoeper

What players are the leafs going to have on their Cup contending team?

What players are the leafs going to have on their Cup contending team?
- D0PPELGANGER

Mitch Marner taking a selfish penalty in the dying minutes of a game seven?

What players are the leafs going to have on their Cup contending team?
- D0PPELGANGER

Marner/Nandeer/Rielly Dermott, Tamashov, Stamkos, the top 5 pick in 2016'.

Mitch Marner taking a selfish penalty in the dying minutes of a game seven?
- Cape Breton Bruins

nice, leafs are going to be in a game 7!

nice, leafs are going to be in a game 7!
- daeth

Someday my friend, someday

Leafs

Leafs
- senstroll

100%

Someday my friend, someday
- Cape Breton Bruins

i hear they are really good at those

Leafs

Was odd to see Andrew Raycroft playing in the "Alumni Game" and the next day seeing Tuuka Rask play in the "Heritage Classic".

... Oh and Ottawa has 5.943 Million in Cap space, and the leafs have 5.658 Million, so a difference of 285K makes the leafs a Big spender, and the Sens "very cheap" ................yeah that makes sense
- D0PPELGANGER

So Ottawa "trying to win" is still below a team not trying to win, who have 9 million in one year roster filler deals and another 10+ million in contracts they would love to dump.

Yup, that is a "I want to win" owner.

Nylander, Reilly, Marner and another top 6-10 pick this year tells me Leafs 100%

Especially when you factor in the Babcock and Stamkos effect.

Nylander, Reilly, Marner and another top 6-10 pick this year tells me Leafs 100%

Especially when you factor in the Babcock and Stamkos effect.
- Cape Breton Bruins

I am worried the leafs will fall out of the bottom 10 teams now.
they have been playing very well. they are projecting to finish ahead of Ottawa now

I am worried the leafs will fall out of the bottom 10 teams now.
they have been playing very well. they are projecting to finish ahead of Ottawa now
- senstroll

I think I may have said as much a few pages back.

Sens are in tough for the next couple of weeks vs the Blues, Panthers, Bruins, Caps and then on the Road vs all the California teams ........ always a tough road trip.

I think I may have said as much a few pages back.

Sens are in tough for the next couple of weeks vs the Blues, Panthers, Bruins, Caps and then on the Road vs all the California teams ........ always a tough road trip.
- D0PPELGANGER

the sens are not a very good team...Decent offence, Karlsson is basically the only thing keeping them afloat..and Anderson. They bring back nightmares of the Carlyle leafs and the Mirage in the standings at this time of year.

they might have one of the worst coaches in the League.

Leafs are a better team in a better situation

http://www.marlies.ca/news/news.asp?story_id=3710

the sens are not a very good team...Decent offence, Karlsson is basically the only thing keeping them afloat..and Anderson. They bring back nightmares of the Carlyle leafs and the Mirage in the standings at this time of year.

they might have one of the worst coaches in the League.

Leafs are a better team in a better situation

http://www.marlies.ca/news/news.asp?story_id=3710
- senstroll

Dave Cameron has only coached 95 games in the NHL, and has a .611 P% so far.

There are only 6 active NHL coaches with a higher P% than Cameron, so your claim that he is "one of the worst coaches in the League" is very inaccurate, and usually you stand pretty strong on stats, but I think you may be a little biased on this one.


I think also that Mike Hoffman (15th in Points) and Bobby Ryan (13th in Points) might have a little more to do with how the Senators are playing than just the two you mentioned.

Dave Cameron has only coached 95 games in the NHL, and has a .611 P% so far.

There are only 6 active NHL coaches with a higher P% than Cameron, so your claim that he is "one of the worst coaches in the League" is very inaccurate, and usually you stand pretty strong on stats, but I think you may be a little biased on this one.


I think also that Mike Hoffman (15th in Points) and Bobby Ryan (13th in Points) might have a little more to do with how the Senators are playing than just the two you mentioned.
- D0PPELGANGER

Points % is garbage info on todays NHL. you get points for losing a (frank)ing game

Points % is garbage info on todays NHL. you get points for losing a (frank)ing game
- senstroll

and the sens are VERY good at this.

and the sens are VERY good at this.
- Pecafan Fan

the sens are 19-21

But Dave Cameron has a good point % = Good coach

ignore all the other red flags

the sens are 19-21

But Dave Cameron has a good point % = Good coach

ignore all the other red flags
- senstroll

watched them last night against the Blues.

Most undeserved win I've seen so far this season. Ridiculous.

watched them last night against the Blues.

Most undeserved win I've seen so far this season. Ridiculous.
- Pecafan Fan

A quick look again at the numbers

PDO 101.3 (6th highest in NHL)
CF% 46.5 (29th)
SF% 45.4 (29th)
SOG differential -175 (30th)


PDO has dropped IIRC it was 103+..and naturally they have slid down the standings since.

the shot differentials would be a huge concern for me if I was a sens fan..but Luckily I am not... and Dave Cameron has a .611 P%

Points % is garbage info on todays NHL. you get points for losing a (frank)ing game
- senstroll

So a "good" Coach should not try to gain as many points as possible?