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D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015
Jan 21 @ 2:36 PM ET
Leafs Better

http://www.thestar.com/sp...-are-leading-the-ahl.html

Marlies were down 4-2 and came back to win on a nice OT goal by Leipsic
- senstroll



From my understanding, this thread is about the leafs situation vs the Senators situation.

So you understand it as a complete organization status and projected (subjective) future status of the NHL team at some point.

The creator of this thread asked "Who's in a better spot right now? " so right now I see the Senators in the better spot, a better spot than the leafs.
muffin_man
Montreal Canadiens
Location: no problem, as s hole - Eric Engels, NY
Joined: 02.10.2007
Jan 21 @ 7:53 PM ET
From my understanding, this thread is about the leafs situation vs the Senators situation.

So you understand it as a complete organization status and projected (subjective) future status of the NHL team at some point.

The creator of this thread asked "Who's in a better spot right now? " so right now I see the Senators in the better spot, a better spot than the leafs.
- D0PPELGANGER

So your argument now is that the point of the thread is who is in a better position for this season, not overall as an organization going forward?

How many (frank)ing pages has this poop gone on for just to debate the standings????
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Jan 21 @ 8:03 PM ET
What a game by the sens tonight.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Jan 21 @ 8:48 PM ET
So your argument now is that the point of the thread is who is in a better position for this season, not overall as an organization going forward?

How many (frank)ing pages has this poop gone on for just to debate the standings????
- muffin_man

He used Binghamton vets success in the past to justify the Sens being better.
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005
Jan 21 @ 8:50 PM ET
He used Binghamton vets success in the past to justify the Sens being better.
- Feeling Glucky?

look how amazing those bing players are now that they are in the nhl

*crickets*
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015
Jan 22 @ 9:12 AM ET
What a game by the sens tonight.
- Pecafan Fan


came back within two, but was not going to be after the first period.

And the scheduler maker(s) really did the Sens a favour, as last nights' game was the last of their longest road trip of the season, and the first of three in four nights, begining with the Islanders who've not played in four days and were sitting in Ottawa watching the Sens get hammered in the first period.

I'm not expecting much tonight.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015
Jan 22 @ 9:21 AM ET
He used Binghamton vets success in the past to justify the Sens being better.
- Feeling Glucky?


Just as you are with the marlies.


Oh, those "vets" who went on to win the Calder Cup included Mike Hoffman, Patrick Wiercioch, Zack Smith, Jared Cowen, Mark Borowiecki, plus Erik Condra, Eric Gryba & Robin Lehner.

Vets indeed.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015
Jan 22 @ 9:26 AM ET
look how amazing those bing players are now that they are in the nhl

*crickets*
- daeth


can you give us a list of NHLers that have graduated to the NHL from the marlies five seasons ago?
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Jan 22 @ 12:31 PM ET
From my understanding, this thread is about the leafs situation vs the Senators situation.

So you understand it as a complete organization status and projected (subjective) future status of the NHL team at some point.

The creator of this thread asked "Who's in a better spot right now? " so right now I see the Senators in the better spot, a better spot than the leafs.
- D0PPELGANGER



Good game last night
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015
Jan 22 @ 4:20 PM ET
Good game last night
- senstroll


Yes, for New Jersey, and I bet for the Islanders tonight, who have not played in four days.
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: long friend time friend, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008
Jan 22 @ 4:34 PM ET
Yes, for New Jersey, and I bet for the Islanders tonight, who have not played in four days.
- D0PPELGANGER

every team has a stretch like that. Suck it up butter cup.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Jan 22 @ 4:44 PM ET
every team has a stretch like that. Suck it up butter cup.
- Cape Breton Bruins


you don't say
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Jan 23 @ 11:16 AM ET
Yes, for New Jersey, and I bet for the Islanders tonight, who have not played in four days.
- D0PPELGANGER



sens are doing pretty good for being so much ahead of the leafs in their rebuild
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006
Jan 23 @ 11:22 AM ET
sens are doing pretty good for being so much ahead of the leafs in their rebuild
- senstroll




Bobby Ryan is pretty upset
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005
Jan 23 @ 11:30 AM ET
can you give us a list of NHLers that have graduated to the NHL from the marlies five seasons ago?
- D0PPELGANGER

kadri, colborne, gardiner, gustavsson, reimer. that in a year where everyone knew they had a mediocre prospect pool. so basically it's reimer, kadri, and top 5 in the league dman gardiner vs hoffman and weircioch

LEAFS
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015
Jan 23 @ 1:42 PM ET
sens are doing pretty good for being so much ahead of the leafs in their rebuild
- senstroll



re-build still in progress ............
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Jan 23 @ 2:21 PM ET
Just as you are with the marlies.


Oh, those "vets" who went on to win the Calder Cup included Mike Hoffman, Patrick Wiercioch, Zack Smith, Jared Cowen, Mark Borowiecki, plus Erik Condra, Eric Gryba & Robin Lehner.

Vets indeed.
- D0PPELGANGER

Yea, they won, but they weren't the big contributors. The team's top players were in their mid-20s... so the team's success wasn't an indication of the prospect pool, as we're seeing now that they've graduated to the NHL and are a part of that nightmare of a team.

The Marlies, on the other hand, are being lead by a player who isn't even in his 20s yet.

The only two guys who were in Binghamton's top-5 who weren't mid-20s were Obrien and Daugauvins. Leading scorer was Corey Locke.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Jan 23 @ 2:22 PM ET
re-build still in progress ............
- D0PPELGANGER

not progressing too well...................................


looking like it's regressing a bit, actually...................................


........................................................................................
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: long friend time friend, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008
Jan 23 @ 2:32 PM ET
Bobby Ryan is pretty upset
- burn

Bobby Ryan?

More like Baby Cryin lololololololol
muffin_man
Montreal Canadiens
Location: no problem, as s hole - Eric Engels, NY
Joined: 02.10.2007
Jan 23 @ 2:51 PM ET
re-build still in progress ............
- D0PPELGANGER

This should have been obvious when they traded away Bishop and Lehner to keep the bald wonder
muffin_man
Montreal Canadiens
Location: no problem, as s hole - Eric Engels, NY
Joined: 02.10.2007
Jan 23 @ 2:52 PM ET
Yea, they won, but they weren't the big contributors. The team's top players were in their mid-20s... so the team's success wasn't an indication of the prospect pool, as we're seeing now that they've graduated to the NHL and are a part of that nightmare of a team.

The Marlies, on the other hand, are being lead by a player who isn't even in his 20s yet.

The only two guys who were in Binghamton's top-5 who weren't mid-20s were Obrien and Daugauvins. Leading scorer was Corey Locke.
- Feeling Glucky?

Will it be an honor to be inducted into the AHL HoF?
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015
Jan 23 @ 3:17 PM ET
not progressing too well...................................


looking like it's regressing a bit, actually...................................


........................................................................................
- Feeling Glucky?



Two steps forward, one step back.......... progressing slower than most would like, but nevertheless moving forward. Not making the playoffs this season, would be a good prediction.

Wait for a few years, your beloved leafs will stumble on their re-building path, as do all teams .............. Chicago had a few set backs, but the wait was worth it.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Jan 23 @ 3:23 PM ET
Two steps forward, one step back.......... progressing slower than most would like, but nevertheless moving forward. Not making the playoffs this season, would be a good prediction.

Wait for a few years, your beloved leafs will stumble on their re-building path, as do all teams .............. Chicago had a few set backs, but the wait was worth it.
- D0PPELGANGER

Difference between Ottawa and Chicago is Chicago had three elite building blocks.

Ottawa has one borderline one.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015
Jan 23 @ 3:33 PM ET
Yea, they won, but they weren't the big contributors. The team's top players were in their mid-20s... so the team's success wasn't an indication of the prospect pool, as we're seeing now that they've graduated to the NHL and are a part of that nightmare of a team.

The Marlies, on the other hand, are being lead by a player who isn't even in his 20s yet.

The only two guys who were in Binghamton's top-5 who weren't mid-20s were Obrien and Daugauvins. Leading scorer was Corey Locke.
- Feeling Glucky?




The Calder Cup is won in the Playoffs, take a look at how many playoff games, future Senator NHLers, or have been traded for assets, played in the playoffs.



Erik Condra 23
Zack Smith 23
Colin Greening 23
Mark Borowiecki 21
Robin Lehner 19
Mike Hoffman 19
Patrick Wiercioch 15
Eric Gryba 10

there were others that did not work out to benefit Ottawa (via trade) as well.

Jim O'Brien 23
Andre Benoit 23
Erik Condra 23
Bobby Butler 23
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015
Jan 23 @ 3:48 PM ET
Difference between Ottawa and Chicago is Chicago had three elite building blocks.

Ottawa has one borderline one.
- Feeling Glucky?


Chicago also won the draft lottery in 2007, and picked first overall, Patrick Kane, who turned out to be a pretty good player, as did Chicago's third overall pick the year (2006) before, their current Captain.

The highest Ottawa has picked in the past 10 drafts was 6th, because they have this knack of making the playoffs.

So Ottawa also traded for the guy selected after Sidney Crosby, and they also have a two time Norris winner as their elite building blocks .............. do the leafs have any?
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