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daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005
Jun 5 @ 9:02 AM ET
Like I said.. Sens. It's not even close really.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012
Jun 5 @ 10:30 AM ET
I feel like a better game would be naming ALL the teams in a worse situation than the Sens
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Jun 5 @ 10:42 AM ET
By finishing last overall, and having their AHL team crap the bed in the playoffs, clearly this puts the leafs in a worse situation, at this time.

The reward for this is picking higher in the entry draft, than the Senators.
- D0PPELGANGER

How was Binghamton's playoff run?

Or Ottawa's, for that matter?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Jun 5 @ 10:43 AM ET
I feel like a better game would be naming ALL the teams in a worse situation than the Sens
- PhillySportsGuy

Here's the complete list:
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012
Jun 5 @ 10:44 AM ET
Here's the complete list:
- Feeling Glucky?


Definitely the Canucks

Ottawa at least has Karlsson. He's arguably the best in the league at his position
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Jun 5 @ 10:47 AM ET
Definitely the Canucks

Ottawa at least has Karlsson. He's arguably the best in the league at his position
- PhillySportsGuy

Ottawa doesn't have the funds to put together a winning team so long as Melnyk is around.


Vancouver has Benning.


It's a tough call.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012
Jun 5 @ 10:54 AM ET
Ottawa doesn't have the funds to put together a winning team so long as Melnyk is around.


Vancouver has Benning.


It's a tough call.
- Feeling Glucky?


Benning is just going to fill their cap space with terrible contracts anyway though
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Jun 5 @ 11:44 AM ET
Benning is just going to fill their cap space with terrible contracts anyway though
- PhillySportsGuy

When has trading skill away for toughness ever been a bad idea?
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007
Jun 5 @ 7:49 PM ET
Benning is just going to fill their cap space with terrible contracts anyway though
- PhillySportsGuy



Well the Sens are fighting back by adding Phaneuf.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007
Jun 5 @ 7:49 PM ET
How was Binghamton's playoff run?

Or Ottawa's, for that matter?
- Feeling Glucky?
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007
Jun 6 @ 8:35 AM ET
Definitely the Canucks

Ottawa at least has Karlsson. He's arguably the best in the league at his position
- PhillySportsGuy



Funny, at his position, I'd actually say he's one of the worst in the league.

Did you know that the Sens got scored on at a rate of something like the 9th best in the league, with Karlsson not on the ice, at even strength. WITH him on the ice, they were scored on at a higher rate than any other team in the league. From top 10, to by far the worst, defensively.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012
Jun 6 @ 9:25 AM ET
Funny, at his position, I'd actually say he's one of the worst in the league.

Did you know that the Sens got scored on at a rate of something like the 9th best in the league, with Karlsson not on the ice, at even strength. WITH him on the ice, they were scored on at a higher rate than any other team in the league. From top 10, to by far the worst, defensively.
- prock


My fault. He's actually the worst. You're right
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005
Jun 6 @ 9:36 AM ET
Karlsson is likely the best defenseman in the league at exiting the defensive zone and entering the offensive zone successfully. His ability to defend is pretty average but with how the game is played now that's not even a big deal.

It's the same reason why Gardiner in Toronto isn't poop like a lot of Leafs fans claim. He can't defend but he can drive possession. Difference is Karlsson is exponentially better at that than Gardiner and pretty much any other defenseman in the league.

SENS and it's not close
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007
Jun 6 @ 1:01 PM ET
Karlsson is likely the best defenseman in the league at exiting the defensive zone and entering the offensive zone successfully. His ability to defend is pretty average but with how the game is played now that's not even a big deal.

It's the same reason why Gardiner in Toronto isn't poop like a lot of Leafs fans claim. He can't defend but he can drive possession. Difference is Karlsson is exponentially better at that than Gardiner and pretty much any other defenseman in the league.

SENS and it's not close
- daeth



Yeah, this is true. Taking a team from 49.4% possession to 49.6% possession is far more important than causing goals to go in at a much higher rate when the opposition has the puck for that 50.4%.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015
Jun 6 @ 4:27 PM ET
How was Binghamton's playoff run?

Or Ottawa's, for that matter?
- Feeling Glucky?



I'm sorry, did I or any other Sens fan give you the impression that this was the year the B Sens were going all the way to the Calder Cup, like many leaf fans were doing this past season?
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Jun 6 @ 6:58 PM ET
Yeah, this is true. Taking a team from 49.4% possession to 49.6% possession is far more important than causing goals to go in at a much higher rate when the opposition has the puck for that 50.4%.
- prock

So glad you are back.

I missed your completely (frank)ing clueless take on things.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Jun 6 @ 7:58 PM ET
I'm sorry, did I or any other Sens fan give you the impression that this was the year the B Sens were going all the way to the Calder Cup, like many leaf fans were doing this past season?
- D0PPELGANGER

Of course not. There's no hope for the Sens.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007
Jun 7 @ 7:02 AM ET
I am confident that Phaneuf is going to get a lot of credit this year for the Sens playing a far stronger defensive game. Ceci/Phaneuf will take some pressure off of Karlsson/Methot. Not sure that Phaneuf will have the impact of Kessel in leading Pittsburg in their Stanley Cup run, but he will have a very good year. The Phaneuf deal was a shrewd move by Ottawa. Hard to believe the Leafs took back more than $10.5m in salary as well.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006
Jun 7 @ 7:07 AM ET
I am confident that Phaneuf is going to get a lot of credit this year for the Sens playing a far stronger defensive game. Ceci/Phaneuf will take some pressure off of Karlsson/Methot. Not sure that Phaneuf will have the impact of Kessel in leading Pittsburg in their Stanley Cup run, but he will have a very good year. The Phaneuf deal was a shrewd move by Ottawa. Hard to believe the Leafs took back more than $10.5m in salary as well.
- spatso
Not_Yan
St Louis Blues
Location: it's an excellent product, easier, quicker, and even better than real mashed potatoes.
Joined: 04.19.2013
Jun 7 @ 7:41 AM ET
I am confident that Phaneuf is going to get a lot of credit this year for the Sens playing a far stronger defensive game. Ceci/Phaneuf will take some pressure off of Karlsson/Methot. Not sure that Phaneuf will have the impact of Kessel in leading Pittsburg in their Stanley Cup run, but he will have a very good year. The Phaneuf deal was a shrewd move by Ottawa. Hard to believe the Leafs took back more than $10.5m in salary as well.
- spatso
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007
Jun 7 @ 8:28 AM ET
I am confident that Phaneuf is going to get a lot of credit this year for the Sens playing a far stronger defensive game. Ceci/Phaneuf will take some pressure off of Karlsson/Methot. Not sure that Phaneuf will have the impact of Kessel in leading Pittsburg in their Stanley Cup run, but he will have a very good year. The Phaneuf deal was a shrewd move by Ottawa. Hard to believe the Leafs took back more than $10.5m in salary as well.
- spatso
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007
Jun 7 @ 8:39 AM ET
I'm sorry, did I or any other Sens fan give you the impression that this was the year the B Sens were going all the way to the Calder Cup, like many leaf fans were doing this past season?
- D0PPELGANGER



After the season the Marlies had, most people thought they would go all the way. And despite falling short it was still a fantastic season for the farm team. Goaltending was their downfall but the team had a great season.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Jun 7 @ 8:44 AM ET
I am confident that Phaneuf is going to get a lot of credit this year for the Sens playing a far stronger defensive game. Ceci/Phaneuf will take some pressure off of Karlsson/Methot. Not sure that Phaneuf will have the impact of Kessel in leading Pittsburg in their Stanley Cup run, but he will have a very good year. The Phaneuf deal was a shrewd move by Ottawa. Hard to believe the Leafs took back more than $10.5m in salary as well.
- spatso



jfc .. Phanuef is not very good at all defensivly ...this has to be a troll job.
the leafs unloaded 35 million of very average player for 1 year of cap for a few players...this was a huge win for the leafs

Colin Greening will probably have a bigger impact on the leafs than Dion will with the Sens.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007
Jun 7 @ 8:50 AM ET
jfc .. Phanuef is not very good at all defensivly ...this has to be a troll job.
the leafs unloaded 35 million of very average player for 1 year of cap for a few players...this was a huge win for the leafs

Colin Greening will probably have a bigger impact on the leafs than Dion will with the Sens.
- senstroll



In fairness, the Sens were the last place team in the league defensively. Won't be hard to improve when all you can do is go up and not down.

Last place team defensively. Among the top offensively. Looking to Phaneuf to solve the defensive woes. Thinking they stole him from another team. Finishing 10th or 11th in the conference. Does that not sounds like exactly where the Leafs were 2-3 years ago?
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015
Jun 7 @ 10:00 AM ET
After the season the Marlies had, most people thought they would go all the way. And despite falling short it was still a fantastic season for the farm team. Goaltending was their downfall but the team had a great season.
- systemtool


Do you see any graduates from the AHL team, making the leafs roster next season?
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