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spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007
Jul 14 @ 9:29 AM ET
So? Matthews a very good scorer in his own right.... And had been compared to the likes of kopitar.
- burn


No, don't doubt me. I like Matthews, he is a #1 centre and an important addition. But, Laine is the scorer and after the fact there is a lot more buzz about the impact of Laine next year. I believe that if the #1 pick was not being hyped by the Toronto Sports Network that Laine would have been the number one pick.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Jul 14 @ 9:41 AM ET
That is my point. It was not a consensus. Even in the TSN survey two scouts shifted to Laine as their 1st overall pick. But the Leafs were way too deep into Matthews to move off their earlier plan. Too bad.
- spatso



One of the Scouts had Laine 3rd as well which is mentioned in BM pre-draft ranking
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006
Jul 14 @ 9:47 AM ET
No, don't doubt me. I like Matthews, he is a #1 centre and an important addition. But, Laine is the scorer and after the fact there is a lot more buzz about the impact of Laine next year. I believe that if the #1 pick was not being hyped by the Toronto Sports Network that Laine would have been the number one pick.
- spatso



Laine is a scorer. Mathews is a center, a 200ft player, makes players around him better, is a scorer....and on and on.

You take the scorer. I'll take everything else, including the scorer.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007
Jul 14 @ 9:55 AM ET
Laine is a scorer. Mathews is a center, a 200ft player, makes players around him better, is a scorer....and on and on.

You take the scorer. I'll take everything else, including the scorer.
- burn


It is too bad that we did not have more of a chance to talk about this prior to the draft. You know there will be loud howls if Laine jumps off to a big start. Fans will need to be reminded that they support their choice.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015
Jul 14 @ 10:02 AM ET
It is too bad that we did not have more of a chance to talk about this prior to the draft. You know there will be loud howls if Laine jumps off to a big start. Fans will need to be reminded that they support their choice.
- spatso



leafs needed at projected #1 center more than a scorer.

They made a horrible trade for a scoring winger that set their franchise back a decade, and were not going to make that mistake again.


#1 centers do not grow on trees, and rarely,if ever, can you acquire one through a trade.

Selecting Matthews was a no brainer, as you have to draft and develop them.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007
Jul 14 @ 10:08 AM ET
leafs needed at projected #1 center more than a scorer.

They made a horrible trade for a scoring winger that set their franchise back a decade, and were not going to make that mistake again.


#1 centers do not grow on trees, and rarely,if ever, can you acquire one through a trade.
Selecting Matthews was a no brainer, as you have to draft and develop them.
- D0PPELGANGER


I don't disagree. I would take Matthews and have said that from the beginning. My comments have more to do with temperament and the Leaf fans reaction to what is likely going to be their worse seasons in franchise history. I think most fans will be fine as long as they see a blueprint for growth. But, if Laine lights it up, some will become very unhappy and bitter.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Jul 14 @ 10:53 AM ET
leafs needed at projected #1 center more than a scorer.

They made a horrible trade for a scoring winger that set their franchise back a decade, and were not going to make that mistake again.


#1 centers do not grow on trees, and rarely,if ever, can you acquire one through a trade.

Selecting Matthews was a no brainer, as you have to draft and develop them.
- D0PPELGANGER


does this qualify as No Brain? ∨∨∨

Anyway it will be apparent once the season starts that Matthews (a good player) does not punch in the same class as the Finns. Leaf fans will likely be discouraged. But, I don't think anyone will figure it out. They will wonder why everyone missed on Laine and they will blame Leaf management.


That is my point. It was not a consensus. Even in the TSN survey two scouts shifted to Laine as their 1st overall pick. But the Leafs were way too deep into Matthews to move off their earlier plan. Too bad.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Jul 14 @ 11:55 AM ET
This is not what you want to talk about. The Toronto based hockey media pumped Matthews all the way to #1. Now we hear people starting to back away and talk about Laine as the likely Calder favourite. What is wrong with these guys?
- spatso

You're such a bad troll
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Jul 14 @ 11:57 AM ET
leafs needed at projected #1 center more than a scorer.

They made a horrible trade for a scoring winger that set their franchise back a decade, and were not going to make that mistake again.


#1 centers do not grow on trees, and rarely,if ever, can you acquire one through a trade.

Selecting Matthews was a no brainer, as you have to draft and develop them.
- D0PPELGANGER

Leafs could have been drafting by position or BPA, and the decision wouldn't have been any different.

Only 2 scouting services had Laine ahead of Matthews, and one of them is notoriously bad.

The other is ESPN, but Pronman is a pretty good scout. Still, I wonder if there as any interest from the higher ups at ESPN to drum up some controversy and generate more interest in their site.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014
Jul 14 @ 1:02 PM ET
It was a controlled time series survey. Two scouts was a huge shift in the base. Headline kept the Matthews pump in place causing some people to believe he was the consensus pick. but if you checked in the body of the story it was apparent that the consensus had been downgraded. Laine had all the momentum coming into the draft. But way too much credibility had been spent on Matthews. He is a good hockey player and he will be fine. But Leafs will regret not taking the superstar.
- spatso


#leafsenvy
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007
Jul 14 @ 1:34 PM ET
#leafsenvy
- Tumbleweed


Right! 10 years of futility and headed for another last place finish. Leafs are about where Edmonton was five years ago at this time. No reason to think path is any different for Leafs.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014
Jul 14 @ 1:47 PM ET
Right! 10 years of futility and headed for another last place finish. Leafs are about where Edmonton was five years ago at this time. No reason to think path is any different for Leafs.
- spatso


Good for you! You're on the right track.

The first step is to admit your jealousy.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Jul 14 @ 2:12 PM ET
Right! 10 years of futility and headed for another last place finish. Leafs are about where Edmonton was five years ago at this time. No reason to think path is any different for Leafs.
- spatso



Well at least you can look at the leafs Objectively ..no hard feelings clouding your analysis of what the Leafs have done over the past 20 months
Not_Yan
St Louis Blues
Location: it's an excellent product, easier, quicker, and even better than real mashed potatoes.
Joined: 04.19.2013
Jul 14 @ 2:40 PM ET
TSN : Who has the brighter future - Leafs or Sabres?
See Senators fans? You're so far away from having any kind of future that you're not even into the discussion!! LOL!!

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/vid...-leafs-or-sabres%7E910872
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007
Jul 14 @ 2:58 PM ET
TSN : Who has the brighter future - Leafs or Sabres?
See Senators fans? You're so far away from having any kind of future that you're not even into the discussion!! LOL!!

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/vid...-leafs-or-sabres%7E910872
- Not_Yan


Yes, we followed all these make me feel better stories for the Oilers fora bunch of years. It is all about feeding the faithful a little hope so they are not discouraged.

Nobody wants to read about another year of last place hockey.
Not_Yan
St Louis Blues
Location: it's an excellent product, easier, quicker, and even better than real mashed potatoes.
Joined: 04.19.2013
Jul 14 @ 3:37 PM ET
Yes, we followed all these make me feel better stories for the Oilers fora bunch of years. It is all about feeding the faithful a little hope so they are not discouraged.

Nobody wants to read about another year of last place hockey.
- spatso



LOL wut
TheCat29
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 02.23.2012
Jul 14 @ 4:20 PM ET
TSN : Who has the brighter future - Leafs or Sabres?
See Senators fans? You're so far away from having any kind of future that you're not even into the discussion!! LOL!!

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/vid...-leafs-or-sabres%7E910872
- Not_Yan
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Jul 14 @ 7:15 PM ET
Right! 10 years of futility and headed for another last place finish. Leafs are about where Edmonton was five years ago at this time. No reason to think path is any different for Leafs.
- spatso

Sens are right about where the Leafs were 10 years ago.



Only without Sundin.


And with fewer prospects.





Enjoy.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007
Jul 14 @ 9:57 PM ET
Yes, we followed all these make me feel better stories for the Oilers fora bunch of years. It is all about feeding the faithful a little hope so they are not discouraged.

Nobody wants to read about another year of last place hockey.
- spatso



Sounds like the stuff trades for Phaneuf are made of.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Jul 15 @ 7:30 AM ET
Sounds like the stuff trades for Phaneuf are made of.
- systemtool
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015
Jul 15 @ 8:18 AM ET

- Pecafan Fan

Canadiens' Analytics Guy Let Go After Telling Team Not To Trade P.K. Subban

http://deadspin.com/repor...ter-telling-te-1783670169
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Jul 15 @ 8:49 AM ET
Canadiens' Analytics Guy Let Go After Telling Team Not To Trade P.K. Subban

http://deadspin.com/repor...ter-telling-te-1783670169
- D0PPELGANGER


Nope.

His contract wasn't renewed. And they look to bolster their analytics dept. Seems like a 21 years old guy wasn't exactly what they needed.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...r-clarifies-subban-trade/
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Jul 15 @ 9:24 AM ET
Nope.

His contract wasn't renewed. And they look to bolster their analytics dept. Seems like a 21 years old guy wasn't exactly what they needed.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...r-clarifies-subban-trade/
- Pecafan Fan



have to admit is a pretty curious move.

Any of the Data nerds I have seen agree with his assessment..dont make that trade.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015
Jul 15 @ 10:06 AM ET
have to admit is a pretty curious move.

Any of the Data nerds I have seen agree with his assessment..dont make that trade.
- senstroll


I mentioned this last year, when the players voted Pacioretty for their Captain, and Subban was not happy with the choice ....... so there was a division in the "locker room" back then
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Jul 15 @ 11:29 AM ET
have to admit is a pretty curious move.

Any of the Data nerds I have seen agree with his assessment..dont make that trade.
- senstroll


Yeah I don't like the trade.
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