Yep,and how many more rebuilds is that going to take from the leafs for this to happen

- top shelf 15

Besides the one they're doing? The one theyre doing. Goofy question but if that's all you had to respond with to my comment then I guess you agree with what I said.

Yep,and how many more rebuilds is that going to take from the leafs for this to happen

- top shelf 15

More? Lets lets this first one simmer first.

More? Lets lets this first one simmer first.
- burn

Please don't pretend this is the first rebuild. You're just feeding the trolls.

Please don't pretend this is the first rebuild. You're just feeding the trolls.
- muffin_man

Pretend?

Can you list the others?

In 3 years from now the Sens and Canucks will be battling for the title of worst Canadian team. Flames, Jets, Leafs and Oilers all have a pretty sick collection of youth ready to take over.

Also, bumped for Daeth. His love for this thread is unrivaled.
- systemtool

Meh, in 3 years the Leafs will be rebuilding again with the latest best management team ever!!!

Pretend?

Can you list the others?
- burn

From 1967 or did you have another start date in mind?

From 1967 or did you have another start date in mind?
- golfingsince

Pick date, what do I care.... Make your list.

Pick date, what do I care.... Make you're list.
- burn

Lets just split the difference and call it a 50 year rebuild.

Lets just split the difference and call it a 50 year rebuild.
- golfingsince

Of course, becuase during the Quinn years they didn't have the most playoff victories....they were rebuilding. When pat burns was coaching them they were deep into rebuild.


Salming, sittler, macdonald......


Troll on trollster.....

Of course, becuase during the Quinn years they didn't have the most playoff victories....they were rebuilding. When pat burns was coaching them they were deep into rebuild.


Salming, sittler, macdonald......


Troll on trollster.....
- burn

The most victories of what? .....Teams to not make the Stanley cup playoffs?

Oddly enough, you pointed out some highs. Yet you suggest there are no lows where they were rebuilding.

Which is it?

The most victories of what? .....Teams to not make the Stanley cup playoffs?

Oddly enough, you pointed out some highs. Yet you suggest there are no lows where they were rebuilding.

Which is it?
- golfingsince

Where? Show me.


Hardly "rebuilding" when they the highest payroll team. No one said they were perfect, but to say that they have been rebuilding all this time is utterly moronic.

The most victories of what? .....Teams to not make the Stanley cup playoffs?

Oddly enough, you pointed out some highs. Yet you suggest there are no lows where they were rebuilding.

Which is it?
- golfingsince

Perhaps you didn't read what you quoted properly, suggest you circle back and re-read what you quoted.

Hint: they didn't miss the playoffs under Quinn, except for the last year.

Perhaps you didn't read what you quoted properly, suggest you circle back and re-read what you quoted.

Hint: they didn't miss the playoffs under Quinn, except for the last year.
- burn

Playoffs should read finals.

Funny how the payroll is now the indicator of wether or not you're rebuilding. If you finish near the bottom of the league 2/3 years you're rebuilding wether you admit it or not.

There are many ways to rebuild, a blatant tank is just one of them.

Playoffs should read finals.

Funny how the payroll is now the indicator of wether or not you're rebuilding. If you finish near the bottom of the league 2/3 years you're rebuilding wether you admit it or not.

There are many ways to rebuild, a blatant tank is just one of them.
- golfingsince

Anyone who thinks that a team spending the most in the league is rebuilding is a blatant idiot. If you're making the playoffs and trading picks and prospects you're not rebuilding.

Rebuilding involves tearing down what is there and building something new.

Playoffs should read finals.

Funny how the payroll is now the indicator of wether or not you're rebuilding. If you finish near the bottom of the league 2/3 years you're rebuilding wether you admit it or not.

There are many ways to rebuild, a blatant tank is just one of them.
- golfingsince

More recently they opted for quick fixes that had low /zero probability of succes.

Signing +30 year ufa's, trading picks/prospects for junk players, hanging on to an aging core for too long etc.

Sound familiar?

Anyone who thinks that a team spending the most in the league is rebuilding is a blatant idiot. If you're making the playoffs and trading picks and prospects you're not rebuilding.

Rebuilding involves tearing down what is there and building something new.
- burn

Right....

Oddly enough the Oilers were 3 million from the cap last year so they weren't rebuilding.

After all, they were among the highest in the league.

How much money you spend has nothing to do with it at all. Cap management is an entirely different game.

When the Blackhawks were rebuilding, they signed Brian Campbell to an enormous contract.

Right....

Oddly enough the Oilers were 3 million from the cap last year so they weren't rebuilding.

After all, they were among the highest in the league.

How much money you spend has nothing to do with it at all. Cap management is an entirely different game.

When the Blackhawks were rebuilding, they signed Brian Campbell to an enormous contract.
- golfingsince

Was, you know, talking about a time when there wasn't a cap... So.

But conveniently ignores the part about trading picks and prospects..... All rebuilding teams tradin away picks and prospects.

Was, you know, talking about a time when there wasn't a cap... So.

But conveniently ignores the part about trading picks and prospects..... All rebuilding teams tradin away picks and prospects.
- burn

So it's even less important. I mean Bobby Holik was signed to $10 million a year or something like that. It's just money.....

Many rebuilding teams do trade away picks and prospects, in order to expedite the rebuild.

Rebuilding is about finding the right pieces, not drafting high a bunch of years in a row hoping to strike gold through the draft. You do it by any means necessary, the complete tank is just one strategy. Hasn't worked out yet for the Oilers despite some good fortune has it?

So it's even less important. I mean Bobby Holik was signed to $10 million a year or something like that. It's just money.....

Many rebuilding teams do trade away picks and prospects, in order to expedite the rebuild.

Rebuilding is about finding the right pieces, not drafting high a bunch of years in a row hoping to strike gold through the draft. You do it by any means necessary, the complete tank is just one strategy. Hasn't worked out yet for the Oilers despite some good fortune has it?
- golfingsince

burn...

Playoffs should read finals.

Funny how the payroll is now the indicator of wether or not you're rebuilding. If you finish near the bottom of the league 2/3 years you're rebuilding wether you admit it or not.

There are many ways to rebuild, a blatant tank is just one of them.
- golfingsince

I think rebuilding refers to a concerted effort to change the core. Since the lockout, I think the Leafs did that once, starting with Fletcher. That rebuild went through Burke, and IMO was pretty decent until he left and Nonis just made a series of terrible moves.

Second one started with Shanahan and his Shanaplan.

here's just one that comes to mind. When Brian Burke traded two first- and one second-round pick for Phil Kessel, he declared he was too impatient for a traditional rebuild and that under his watch the leafs would undergo a radical on-the-fly rebuild.
- D0PPELGANGER

Might just be me but rebuilding means starting from the bottom with a solid foundation and building up. Meaning draft and develop from within until you can compete. Then trade picks for perfecting the roster. He didn't rebuild. He retooled.

Playoffs should read finals.

Funny how the payroll is now the indicator of wether or not you're rebuilding. If you finish near the bottom of the league 2/3 years you're rebuilding wether you admit it or not.

There are many ways to rebuild, a blatant tank is just one of them.
- golfingsince

In fairness tanking by drafting high and often is probably the most efficient and successful way of rebuilding a team. The most proven if you will. That goes for any sport pretty much.

No Leafs team before this regime has tried this approach with patience and conviction...

Suggesting that what the Leafs are doing now is something they've been doing for decades is not only untrue, it's absurd and idiotic. There is no guarantee that the Leafs collection of youth and rookies will bring the team success but it defunitedly isn't something that's been done before. The potential and talent levels of the young players they have isn't and hasn't been a common occurrence.

In fairness tanking by drafting high and often is probably the most efficient and successful way of rebuilding a team. The most proven if you will. That goes for any sport pretty much.

No Leafs team before this regime has tried this approach with patience and conviction...

Suggesting that what the Leafs are doing now is something they've been doing for decades is not only untrue, it's absurd and idiotic. There is no guarantee that the Leafs collection of youth and rookies will bring the team success but it defunitedly isn't something that's been done before. The potential and talent levels of the young players they have isn't and hasn't been a common occurrence.
- systemtool

Kings, hawks and pens all had a series of high picks between circa 2003- 2008.

Those teams have won 7 of the last 8 stanley cups.

Other teams have sucked, drafted high and haven't won, so there are no guarantees....but honestly, wtf. 7 of the last (frank)ing 8.

Might just be me but rebuilding means starting from the bottom with a solid foundation and building up. Meaning draft and develop from within until you can compete. Then trade picks for perfecting the roster. He didn't rebuild. He retooled.
- systemtool

Why do you leaf fans keep re-defining the meaning of rebuild?

Back before there was a Salary Cap, rebuild meant signing older free agents to "retirement" contracts and you mocked teams that were building through the draft.

Then the JFJ and Fletcher era, making trades was the definition of rebuild, and you mocked teams that were building through the draft.

Then under Burke, trading multiple high draft picks to land Kessel was the new interpolation of rebuild, and you mocked teams that were building through the draft.

And now that the leafs are building through the draft, this is the latest version of how leaf fans see a rebuild ......... the same method used by the Senators, Oilers and other teams that leaf fans mocked for more than the past decade.

So were the teams that were "rebuilding" through the draft right all along, and you leaf fans were wrong for mocking teams that have been doing all along, now that the leafs are doing it?

Why do you leaf fans keep re-defining the meaning of rebuild?

Back before there was a Salary Cap, rebuild meant signing older free agents to "retirement" contracts and you mocked teams that were building through the draft.

Then the JFJ and Fletcher era, making trades was the definition of rebuild, and you mocked teams that were building through the draft.

Then under Burke, trading multiple high draft picks to land Kessel was the new interpolation of rebuild, and you mocked teams that were building through the draft.

And now that the leafs are building through the draft, this is the latest version of how leaf fans see a rebuild ......... the same method used by the Senators, Oilers and other teams that leaf fans mocked for more than the past decade.

So were the teams that were "rebuilding" through the draft right all along, and you leaf fans were wrong for mocking teams that have been doing all along, now that the leafs are doing it?
- D0PPELGANGER

Just like the sun coming up every morning .Leaf nation will always be there telling you their way is better