- D0PPELGANGER

- twiztedmike

- D0PPELGANGER

Just a few years ago he was a scorned Olympian.
- golfingsince

I don't recall a single Leaf fan saying he should be on the Olympic team.

But I can name a player that some members of a fanbase DID talk about being on an Olympic team. Frankie Corrado.

Now THAT is the kind of idiocy that is unique to just ONE fanbase.

On the other hand, Ottawa got rid of a lot of "scrap" from their roster in that trade
- D0PPELGANGER

the Leafs got rid of 5 1/2 years of scrap.

at the cost of acquiring a player, who is currently taking a regular shift for the Senators.......
- D0PPELGANGER

yes, taking a regular shift, at the sort of caliber that should be the Binghamton Senators.

and it freed up the money required to sign Hoffman...... so the leafs got what they wanted, and so did the Sens.


- D0PPELGANGER

and consumes a huge portion of the Sens cap for many years going forward, making it harder to sign players better than Hoffman. And players better than Hoffman are certainly needed for the Sens to ever be considered a contender.

BTW, if you googled "worst NHL contracts" today, would Toskala....I mean... Andersen now show up on that list?
- D0PPELGANGER

Probably not yet. But Marc Methot, Bobby Ryan, and Phaneuf will definitely all be there.

Vancouver might be the only team in a worse situation then the sens
- Tumbleweed

They are very likely the two worst messes of organizations in the NHL right now. It's comical. I think the Canucks might even be worse than the Sens. It's honestly amazing. They gave up the second most shots last year, and scored the second least goals, in the entire NHL. They weren't second last in goals thanks to their goalie.

But when you factor in that their two leading scorers and their goalie are all 36 years old and near retirement, and that their youth is mostly garbage, you know you have a total mess in the making.

They didn't have a single player under the age of 36 score more than 40 points. That's hilarious.

They honestly have about a decade of rebuilding before they can make the playoffs again.

yes, taking a regular shift, at the sort of caliber that should be the Binghamton Senators.- prock

New Coach, new system ........... if Phaneuf was not up to playing on the 2nd pairing, he'd be moved down. Boucher is back in the NHL, and is going to play the players, in roles, that is going to keep him employed in the NHL.

and consumes a huge portion of the Sens cap for many years going forward, making it harder to sign players better than Hoffman. And players better than Hoffman are certainly needed for the Sens to ever be considered a contender.-prock

The Senators have more Cap space than most teams in the NHL, and will have enough space going forward for anything they need to do .......... you spend too much energy worrying about Cap Space, that's a traditional leaf problem, not a Senator problem ......... other teams have figured out ways to get out of cap problems, so if it ever happens in Ottawa, they will be able too as well......

Probably not yet. But Marc Methot, Bobby Ryan, and Phaneuf will definitely all be there.
- prock

He (FA) soon will be, we're hearing the rumblings already from leaf land. Methot's Cap hit is reasonable, for a first pairing D man, who more than likely will be selected by the LV expansion team..... but if not, no worries.

New Coach, new system ........... if Phaneuf was not up to playing on the 2nd pairing, he'd be moved down. Boucher is back in the NHL, and is going to play the players, in roles, that is going to keep him employed in the NHL.

- D0PPELGANGER

If he wasn't up to playing on the second pairing, he'd be moved down..... for what? Other players that are not up to playing on the second pairing?

Phaneuf and Ceci have the worst numbers of any pairing in the entire NHL so far, you're burying you're head in the sand if you're trying to claim they've been okay.

You realize he was second pairing in Toronto when the Leafs dumped him right?

The Senators have more Cap space than most teams in the NHL, and will have enough space going forward for anything they need to do .......... you spend too much energy worrying about Cap Space, that's a traditional leaf problem, not a Senator problem ......... other teams have figured out ways to get out of cap problems, so if it ever happens in Ottawa, they will be able too as well......

- D0PPELGANGER

Cap/budget, either or. Same poop.

He (FA) soon will be, we're hearing the rumblings already from leaf land. Methot's Cap hit is reasonable, for a first pairing D man, who more than likely will be selected by the LV expansion team..... but if not, no worries.
- D0PPELGANGER

But wait, the new coach, new system crap you spew doesn't apply anymore?

I don't recall a single Leaf fan saying he should be on the Olympic team.

But I can name a player that some members of a fanbase DID talk about being on an Olympic team. Frankie Corrado.

Now THAT is the kind of idiocy that is unique to just ONE fanbase.
- prock

Then either your memory is very poor or you were away for several months.

As for the Corrado an olympian, that was Ian Esplen.....nobody else.

Then either your memory is very poor or you were away for several months.

As for the Corrado an olympian, that was Ian Esplen.....nobody else.
- golfingsince

Likely story Skippy.

I thought Ceci and Phaneuf were fine last night. Really solid in their own end. It is all about scoreboard and Leaf fans are starting to experience their first disordered anxious mood response now that real hockey is being played. They are struggling to get their head around the Leafs giving up 7 goals last night and collapsing down the stretch in Chicago. They fully understand that Dion would help stabilize their young blue line but they do not want to talk about what has now become painfully obvious.

I believe everything is the way it should be. The Leafs need to grow around youth. I think Phaneuf is well suited to the situation with the Sens. Everything looks very good to me.

I thought Ceci and Phaneuf were fine last night. Really solid in their own end. It is all about scoreboard and Leaf fans are starting to experience their first disordered anxious mood response now that real hockey is being played. They are struggling to get their head around the Leafs giving up 7 goals last night and collapsing down the stretch in Chicago. They fully understand that Dion would help stabilize their young blue line but they do not want to talk about what has now become painfully obvious.

I believe everything is the way it should be. The Leafs need to grow around youth. I think Phaneuf is well suited to the situation with the Sens. Everything looks very good to me.
- spatso

Phaneuf = larry murphy

http://www.nhl.com/stats/leaders

Phaneuf = larry murphy
- Tumbleweed

I remember Leaf fans booing Larry Murphy out of town.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/leaders
- systemtool

No doubt Matthews has had a nice start and it certainly signals a bright future.

No doubt Matthews has had a nice start and it certainly signals a bright future.
- spatso

Same with Nylander and Marner. I focus on that awesomeness and not the teams record. I didn't expect them to compete this year anyways. It's a growing pains year.

I remember Leaf fans booing Larry Murphy out of town.
- spatso

Remember that time the leafs dumped phanuef on Ottawa?

Those were good times.

Remember that time the leafs dumped phanuef on Ottawa?

Those were good times.
- Tumbleweed

Very good times.

Remember that time the leafs dumped phanuef on Ottawa?

Those were good times.
- Tumbleweed

Remember that time the Sens dumped, Greening, Cowen & Michalek on toronto?

Those were good times.

Remember that time the Sens dumped, Greening, Cowen & Michalek on toronto?

Those were good times.
- D0PPELGANGER

Enjoy them for 8 more months

Remember that time the Sens dumped, Greening, Cowen & Michalek on toronto?

Those were good times.
- D0PPELGANGER

Remember when the Leafs dumped them all into the minors and oblivion?

Those were good times.

Remember when the Leafs got a prospect and a 2nd for Phaneuf?

Those were good times.

Enjoy them for 8 more months
- Tumbleweed

Yup. That excuse has an expiry date.

Remember when the Leafs dumped them all into the minors and oblivion?

Those were good times.

Remember when the Leafs got a prospect and a 2nd for Phaneuf?

Those were good times.
- systemtool

That guy is a fucking idiot

That guy is a fucking idiot
- Tumbleweed

Remember when the Leafs dumped them all into the minors and oblivion?

Those were good times.

Remember when the Leafs got a prospect and a 2nd for Phaneuf?

Those were good times.
- systemtool

The leafs, or really leaf fans through increased ticket prices, are paying Approximately 13 Million US Dollars this season, for players who are not on their NHL roster, and never will be.
They include Laich, Michalek, Cowen, Greening, Gleason and of course Kessel.
They lead the NHL in this category, so you should be proud of this.





OTOH, Ottawa does not spend a single dime on any non roster players.