Laine = Winger with Wheeler and Schiefele, both all-star candidates.

Matthews = Center, getting 1st line attention from other teams, with two rookie wingers, who has hit more posts and crossbars lately than Laine has goals. He is probably in a 10 game stretch that will be as bad as it gets for most of his career.

and yet, is somehow still among the rookie leaders.
- Aetherial

Laine = Ovechkin
Matthews = Kopitar

1 had a cup. Other doesn't

Laine = Ovechkin
Matthews = Kopitar

1 had a cup. Other doesn't
- walshyleafsfan

laine doesnt have ovies wheels and matthews isnt on kopitars level defensively yet

/party pooper

laine doesnt have ovies wheels and matthews isnt on kopitars level defensively yet

/party pooper
- daeth

Laine = Hall
Matthews = Trevor Lewis.

1 has a cup, other doesn't

Zibanejad 13 points.

Brassard 6 points.

Why don't Sens fans talk about this more.
- systemtool

Detroit looks much better than I expected. I think they finish ahead of the Sens and both ahead of the Leafs.

... unless the Leaf get D help
- Aetherial

Spatso will always lend a helping hand if D is involved.


Det has been sinking since a good start. I don't think they are good.

Spatso will always lend a helping hand if D is involved.


Det has been sinking since a good start. I don't think they are good.
- Tumbleweed

I think the Leafs are paying a huge price for having let the Sens steal Phaneuf for a collection of misfits and retreads. I understand that this is a really painful matter for many blue and white loyalists. But it is merely a statement of the obvious.

The Leafs have a 3.50 GAA. The goaltending has been okay. The problem is not in net. The Leafs desperately need a veteran presence on the back end to stabilize play in their own end. Obviously, Phaneuf is not going back. But, they need someone that can help them out.

I think the Leafs are paying a huge price for having let the Sens steal Phaneuf for a collection of misfits and retreads. I understand that this is a really painful matter for many blue and white loyalists. But it is merely a statement of the obvious.

The Leafs have a 3.50 GAA. The goaltending has been okay. The problem is not in net. The Leafs desperately need a veteran presence on the back end to stabilize play in their own end. Obviously, Phaneuf is not going back. But, they need someone that can help them out.
- spatso

Yup. Losing Phaneuf was like losing a wallet.

Yup. Losing Phaneuf was like losing a wallet.
- systemtool

I may be in the minority in thinking the Leafs would have a better on-ice product with Phaneuf on the team this year.

That being said, part of the rebuild was a culture shift, and that involved getting rid of the old guard. With that in mind I think we all knew that it would be hard to move Phaneuf'a cap without taking back another albatross, unless he was moved to a budget team that had no real intention of ever spending to the cap or competing for the cup, that just had to make moves to placate their fanbase, even if those moves were terrible deals.


And thats exactly what happened. And on the plus side it bought us long-term cap relief to improve the team as our prospects develop... and Ottawa saved some cash. It's rare that both teams in a trade accomplish their objectives.

I think the Leafs are paying a huge price for having let the Sens steal Phaneuf for a collection of misfits and retreads. I understand that this is a really painful matter for many blue and white loyalists. But it is merely a statement of the obvious.

The Leafs have a 3.50 GAA. The goaltending has been okay. The problem is not in net. The Leafs desperately need a veteran presence on the back end to stabilize play in their own end. Obviously, Phaneuf is not going back. But, they need someone that can help them out.
- spatso

I think the Leafs are paying a huge price for having let the Sens steal Phaneuf for a collection of misfits and retreads. I understand that this is a really painful matter for many blue and white loyalists. But it is merely a statement of the obvious.

The Leafs have a 3.50 GAA. The goaltending has been okay. The problem is not in net. The Leafs desperately need a veteran presence on the back end to stabilize play in their own end. Obviously, Phaneuf is not going back. But, they need someone that can help them out.
- spatso

I think the Leafs are paying a huge price for having let the Sens steal Phaneuf for a collection of misfits and retreads. I understand that this is a really painful matter for many blue and white loyalists. But it is merely a statement of the obvious.

The Leafs have a 3.50 GAA. The goaltending has been okay. The problem is not in net. The Leafs desperately need a veteran presence on the back end to stabilize play in their own end. Obviously, Phaneuf is not going back. But, they need someone that can help them out.
- spatso

- Cape Breton Bruins

Highway robbery

I think the Leafs are paying a huge price for having let the Sens steal Phaneuf for a collection of misfits and retreads. I understand that this is a really painful matter for many blue and white loyalists. But it is merely a statement of the obvious.

The Leafs have a 3.50 GAA. The goaltending has been okay. The problem is not in net. The Leafs desperately need a veteran presence on the back end to stabilize play in their own end. Obviously, Phaneuf is not going back. But, they need someone that can help them out.
- spatso

wait. phaneuf is gone????

whoa. how did you guys pull that off??? from right under our noses dammit.

I may be in the minority in thinking the Leafs would have a better on-ice product with Phaneuf on the team this year.

That being said, part of the rebuild was a culture shift, and that involved getting rid of the old guard. With that in mind I think we all knew that it would be hard to move Phaneuf'a cap without taking back another albatross, unless he was moved to a budget team that had no real intention of ever spending to the cap or competing for the cup, that just had to make moves to placate their fanbase, even if those moves were terrible deals.


And thats exactly what happened. And on the plus side it bought us long-term cap relief to improve the team as our prospects develop... and Ottawa saved some cash. It's rare that both teams in a trade accomplish their objectives.
- Feeling Glucky?

yes and no.

the only dmen making enough to make it possible to switch one for one are Gardiner and Rielly. does he make the team better if it costs the leafs one of them?

obviously not given that he had fallen behind bothim on the depth chart by the time he was dumped.

however, yes, if you could slit him in on the 3rd pairing salary ignored he would make the team better.

Laine = Ovechkin
Matthews = Kopitar

1 had a cup. Other doesn't
- walshyleafsfan

The comparisons I am seeing so far for Laine is Kovalchuk and Heatley ... Ovechkin is in a league of his own.

Zibanejad 13 points.

Brassard 6 points.

Why don't Sens fans talk about this more.
- systemtool

Holy poop...didnt realize Brassard was so poopty


also dont forget

Bobby Ryan - 3 goals

Nick Richie - 4 goals
Silfverberg - 5 goals

Luckily Ryans contract only goes to 2022 ..fir 7.2 mil

Also with the #10 pick..the sens could have drafted Larkin, Fabbri, Pastrnak Kapanen instead of Richie

Win now moves...are helping the Sens lose now

Holy poop...didnt realize Brassard was so poopty


also dont forget

Bobby Ryan - 3 goals

Nick Richie - 4 goals
Silfverberg - 5 goals

Luckily Ryans contract only goes to 2022 ..fir 7.2 mil

Also with the #10 pick..the sens could have drafted Larkin, Fabbri, Pastrnak Kapanen instead of Richie

Win now moves...are helping the Sens lose now
- senstroll

Bobby Ryan is terrible

That condon.

Starting to get really leaky.

Ottawa has less regulation wins than Toronto. This is most unfortunate since I learned in this thread that those are more important than actual total points.

Ottawa has less regulation wins than Toronto. This is most unfortunate since I learned in this thread that those are more important than actual total points.
- daeth

Leafs are fun to watch, the best players every night are rookies. they are putting up stats the Leafs have not seen from young players like that ever.

Good time to be a Leafs fan

Leafs are just two points back of Ottawa with more ROW and a better goal differential.


Ottawa's strategy of making money-saving "win now" moves seems to be going as well as it could have been.

Leafs are just two points back of Ottawa with more ROW and a better goal differential.


Ottawa's strategy of making money-saving "win now" moves seems to be going as well as it could have been.
- Feeling Glucky?

Imagine we won't be seeing pts% post any time soon....

Imagine we won't be seeing pts% post any time soon....
- burn

Dopps can you give us an update?


Please and thanks.

Dopps can you give us an update?


Please and thanks.
- Tumbleweed

Even better, I'll go back and use this place he used to like using.

http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL.html

Toronto 40.3% chance of making the playoffs.
Ottawa 33.9% chance of making the playoffs.

Even better, I'll go back and use this place he used to like using.

http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL.html

Toronto 40.3% chance of making the playoffs.
Ottawa 33.9% chance of making the playoffs.
- daeth

LEAFS