yeah, uh, I don't think this quote says what you seem to want to twist it in to.

Price did have some struggles early on in his career.
- Aetherial

Fox news in da house!!!

I can see the Sens counting their nickels in order to add some depth to the Sens. Probably trade more picks and/or youth. But not to win now. To win in the future. When Brassard Phaneuf are in their prime.

Boston Red Sox

Boston Red Sox
- Nucker101

Yeah. Crazy. Love baseball. Not sure I'm a fan of what the Jay's are doing though. So far..

Yeah. Crazy. Love baseball. Not sure I'm a fan of what the Jay's are doing though. So far..
- systemtool

They're in a weird/awkward position for sure. Don't have a great farm system and aren't the favs in their own division anymore.

They're in a weird/awkward position for sure. Don't have a great farm system and aren't the favs in their own division anymore.
- Nucker101

Seems like a half assed budgeted rebuild retool. May as well just rebuild.

I can see the Sens counting their nickels in order to add some depth to the Sens. Probably trade more picks and/or youth. But not to win now. To win in the future. When Brassard Phaneuf are in their prime.
- systemtool

Dopps has told you enough times: the sens have no intention of winning.

Why don't you listen?

They're in a weird/awkward position for sure. Don't have a great farm system and aren't the favs in their own division anymore.
- Nucker101

For a second I thought you were talking about the sens, and was going to question you on your use of the word "anymore"

Fox news in da house!!!
- prock

Seems like a half assed budgeted rebuild retool. May as well just rebuild.
- systemtool

The Jays are near the top of MLB in payroll how is that budgeted?

Erik karlsson will never win a cup, I'm sure of it. if I were a GM and was offered Karlsson for free I'd turn it down.
- prock

The Jays are near the top of MLB in payroll how is that budgeted?
- senstroll

Thanks to AA. Not this new regime. They're just getting started. Considering this is a that's made the playoffs two seasons in a row and won a round. Should be going for it now imo.

Thanks to AA. Not this new regime. They're just getting started. Considering this is a that's made the playoffs two seasons in a row and won a round. Should be going for it now imo.
- systemtool

Well AA or Shapiro/Atkins dont set the payroll number.

here are the numbers since 2013

2013 -131m
2014 -145m
2015 -140m
2016 -159m
2017 -Projected 160-165

The Jays are around 7th-10 in the league, basically in the 2nd tier of spenders
I just dont get why the GM gets blamed for the amount they can spend

with 160 mil you should be able to build a contending team..and they have
so far projections have them around a 90 win team

Well AA or Shapiro/Atkins dont set the payroll number.

here are the numbers since 2013

2013 -131m
2014 -145m
2015 -140m
2016 -159m
2017 -Projected 160-165

The Jays are around 7th-10 in the league, basically in the 2nd tier of spenders
I just dont get why the GM gets blamed for the amount they can spend

with 160 mil you should be able to build a contending team..and they have
so far projections have them around a 90 win team
- senstroll

I think people are blowing the Edwin loss way out of proportion. I think his production will be replaced by Morales pretty easily (at a significantly reduced price).....I think bautista's production will be replaced by the bat boy because he was pretty f-ing useless last year.

I think the jays were smart not to dump huge long term contracts at 2 guys over the age of 35.

their starting rotation will hopefully be even better than last year as those young guys continue to progress......and not re-signing Richardey is addition by substraction.

my only 2 concerns for this team is getting 1-2 left handed releivers.......and a back up catcher, which won't be that difficult. maybe a bench guy who could bat leadoff for when travis inevitably goes on the IR again.

I think the lineup will look something like

travis
Upton
Donaldson
Morales
Tulo
Martin
Smoak (DH)
Saunders
Pillar

that's still a pretty good lineup

Well AA or Shapiro/Atkins dont set the payroll number.

here are the numbers since 2013

2013 -131m
2014 -145m
2015 -140m
2016 -159m
2017 -Projected 160-165

The Jays are around 7th-10 in the league, basically in the 2nd tier of spenders
I just dont get why the GM gets blamed for the amount they can spend

with 160 mil you should be able to build a contending team..and they have
so far projections have them around a 90 win team
- senstroll

Shapiro and Atkins style is closers to small ball. Or moneyball. You don't have to agree. I think they're going to budget this team even though now is the time to spend imo.

I think people are blowing the Edwin loss way out of proportion. I think his production will be replaced by Morales pretty easily (at a significantly reduced price).....I think bautista's production will be replaced by the bat boy because he was pretty f-ing useless last year.

I think the jays were smart not to dump huge long term contracts at 2 guys over the age of 35.

their starting rotation will hopefully be even better than last year as those young guys continue to progress......and not re-signing Richardey is addition by substraction.

my only 2 concerns for this team is getting 1-2 left handed releivers.......and a back up catcher, which won't be that difficult. maybe a bench guy who could bat leadoff for when travis inevitably goes on the IR again.

I think the lineup will look something like

travis
Upton
Donaldson
Morales
Tulo
Martin
Smoak (DH)
Saunders
Pillar

that's still a pretty good lineup
- sensarmy_11

I really hope the Jays sign Fowler.
EE might be a possibility still, but very slim

I think you are way off on Bautista. From the FG link below, worth a look
510 PA and 3.1 zWAR .. which is better than Carrera, Saunders and upton combined. I get we are used to JB being a force..but its not like he was trash...just by his 2010 standards yes

I also dont get the Richardey hate.. he was a good 5th starter last season..get over what he cost..AA is long gone his big miss


http://www.fangraphs.com/...ctions-toronto-blue-jays/

Shapiro and Atkins style is closers to small ball. Or moneyball. You don't have to agree. I think they're going to budget this team even though now is the time to spend imo.
- systemtool

if small ball = smarter spending while still going to the Jays spending cap then yes

I really hope the Jays sign Fowler.
EE might be a possibility still, but very slim

I think you are way off on Bautista. From the FG link below, worth a look
510 PA and 3.1 zWAR .. which is better than Carrera, Saunders and upton combined. I get we are used to JB being a force..but its not like he was trash...just by his 2010 standards yes

I also dont get the Richardey hate.. he was a good 5th starter last season..get over what he cost..AA is long gone his big miss


http://www.fangraphs.com/...ctions-toronto-blue-jays/
- senstroll

RE: Richardey and bautista.........

jose is clearly a declining asset, he's been getting worse pretty much every year for the last few. signing him to a big money deal with term right now would be disasterous. my comment about the bat boy was a little tongue in cheek, he still produced but signing him would hurt the team long term IMO.

as for Richardey....yes it's hard to get over what he cost, I probably never will. that being said, I think you can get a way better pitcher to fill that spot. just my opinion.

LEAFS

- D0PPELGANGER

He seems to really be happy about personal accolades. Shame he doesn't care more about team ones.

RE: Richardey and bautista.........

jose is clearly a declining asset, he's been getting worse pretty much every year for the last few. signing him to a big money deal with term right now would be disasterous. my comment about the bat boy was a little tongue in cheek, he still produced but signing him would hurt the team long term IMO.

as for Richardey....yes it's hard to get over what he cost, I probably never will. that being said, I think you can get a way better pitcher to fill that spot. just my opinion.
- sensarmy_11

Oh I never said the sign JB to anything at all... Maybe a 1 or 2 year deal for around his QO but thats about it .. he has value, still gets on base...but fans cant get past him not being a 40hr guy anymore..therefor he is trash

oh they do have a better pitcher already to fill the 5th spot..thats why you can let him walk

Oh I never said the sign JB to anything at all... Maybe a 1 or 2 year deal for around his QO but thats about it .. he has value, still gets on base...but fans cant get past him not being a 40hr guy anymore..therefor he is trash

oh they do have a better pitcher already to fill the 5th spot..thats why you can let him walk
- senstroll

I always thought he was trash because of his attitude more than anything else. he had a mouth that he could no longer back up with his performance.....and that drove me crazy.

He seems to really be happy about personal accolades. Shame he doesn't care more about team ones.
- prock

if small ball = smarter spending while still going to the Jays spending cap then yes
- senstroll

Meh. Team has come close to the world series. Pay for the talent and make a go at it again or rebuild. But don't spend less for inferior players and tell me you just make chicken salad out of chicken poop. Pick a direction.

Meh. Team has come close to the world series. Pay for the talent and make a go at it again or rebuild. But don't spend less for inferior players and tell me you just make chicken salad out of chicken poop. Pick a direction.
- systemtool

they offered EE 80 million - He declined

They had to change plans, who would you have signed?

So far they are making some changes ..getting some hitters who can hit lefties, Pearce demolishes LHP .. Morales is an improvement also.

So far the new guys have been able to get value instead of wasting money .. Grilli, Benoit and Liriano had for nothing .. also upton who sucks..but the Jays are paying him 1 million this season.

will have to wait it out.. I expect 1 more signed out of Fowler/EE/Bautista


Edwin is probably not even worth 80 actually

https://www.washingtonpos...tw&utm_term=.91f4b30029f3

Early projections have Encarnacion producing just 2.3 wins above replacement in 2017, which would be worth $18.4 million in free agency. If we reduce his wins above replacement by a half-win each year, at the same time inflating the cost of a win in free agency by 5 percent per year, that pegs Encarnacion’s five-year value at $55.3 million, or about half of what his agent thinks he is worth. If you think his aging curve will be less immediate and project an optimistic 3.0 fWAR for 2017, his five-year value would come in at $86.3 million — still well below his reported asking price.