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Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Jan 6 @ 12:10 AM ET
It's a shame that team Canada has to be assembled with b-level talent, with this generation of CHLers who are able to make the jump to the NHL earlier than ever before.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007
Jan 6 @ 7:43 AM ET
It's a shame that team Canada has to be assembled with b-level talent, with this generation of CHLers who are able to make the jump to the NHL earlier than ever before.
- Feeling Glucky?


the tournament is never true best on best. this year it was just far worse than ever before. I'm not sure if youre making excuses for Canada but it was no different for the USA. Or Finland. or Sweden.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015
Jan 6 @ 8:42 AM ET


I've been to 7 world junior games this year, 4 team canada games. there are no standout dmen on the team this year. none that project into first pairing dmen. not one. Chabot is the best of the bunch and he's not THAT great.
- prock



Highest scoring D man (goals and points) in tournament, the undisputed best player on Team Canada and clearly the teams leader, also named tournament (first ever D man ) MVP.............. but, "he's not that great".


"Thomas Chabot had a 'performance for the ages' "
http://www.tsn.ca/video/c...es-in-wjc-final%7E1028875
senstroll
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- senstroll


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penguininnevada
- D0PPELGANGER



Ah thats better
senstroll
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https://www.nhl.com/news/...c-285336634?tid=278387726

Auston Matthews keeping pace with Alex Ovechkin

If special-teams scoring is set aside, Matthews is on pace for a stronger season than Ovechkin and the finest rookie season since Selanne.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012
Jan 6 @ 9:59 AM ET
https://www.nhl.com/news/matthews-rookie-season-mirroring-that-of-ovechkin/c-285336634?tid=278387726

Auston Matthews keeping pace with Alex Ovechkin
- senstroll


I guess it's a good thing special teams don't count
senstroll
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daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005
Jan 6 @ 10:07 AM ET

- senstroll

Ahead of Andreas Athanasiou? Impressive.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
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I guess it's a good thing special teams don't count
- PhillySportsGuy



Sure it counts... but coming out of the Lockout there were many more opportunities.

Like the article mentions

Ovechkin had the advantage of more time on the power play; at 6:43 minutes per game, he scored 21 of his 52 goals. That target is out of reach for Matthews, who averages 2:48 per game on the power play.
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005
Jan 6 @ 10:08 AM ET
I guess it's a good thing special teams don't count
- PhillySportsGuy

still has 4 more points than ovechkin in 1 less game
senstroll
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Jan 6 @ 10:09 AM ET
Ahead of Andreas Athanasiou? Impressive.
- daeth



The list I see shows him ahead of everyone
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005
Jan 6 @ 10:15 AM ET
He doesn't really need all this junky time adjust points stuff when his actual numbers say enough already though. 17th in points ahead of guys like Ovechkin, Giroux, Tavares, Backstrom, Getzlaf, Perry. This is with Toronto having played less games than most teams too so he has a shot at passing guys like Pavelski and Benn too.
senstroll
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Jan 6 @ 10:33 AM ET
He doesn't really need all this junky time adjust points stuff when his actual numbers say enough already though. 17th in points ahead of guys like Ovechkin, Giroux, Tavares, Backstrom, Getzlaf, Perry. This is with Toronto having played less games than most teams too so he has a shot at passing guys like Pavelski and Benn too.
- daeth


The junky time adjusted stuff fixes exactly what you mention...uneven schedules and different TOI allocation

putting everyone on the same playing field makes sense imo
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005
Jan 6 @ 10:35 AM ET
Points don't scale perfectly with extra ice time in real life.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007
Jan 6 @ 11:02 AM ET
Points don't scale perfectly with extra ice time in real life.
- daeth



No, but they do scale.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007
Jan 6 @ 11:13 AM ET
He doesn't really need all this junky time adjust points stuff when his actual numbers say enough already though. 17th in points ahead of guys like Ovechkin, Giroux, Tavares, Backstrom, Getzlaf, Perry. This is with Toronto having played less games than most teams too so he has a shot at passing guys like Pavelski and Benn too.
- daeth


Sorry but you guys are starting to get out there in the twilight zone again. Everybody is keen to list the players Matthews is ranking ahead of but nobody is too keen on the idea of noting that he trails Laine in goals scored and points.

Everybody, just wants for Laine to go away. But I expect that they will be compared head to head over the balance of the season and perhaps for their entire careers.
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