same reason child abusers are often abuse victims themselves. because it's fun. wait what
- daeth

Good ol daeth

you (frank)

same reason child abusers are often abuse victims themselves. because it's fun. wait what
- daeth

That's just insecurity. Your satisfaction should be tied to the Leafs success; not others' pain
- PhillySportsGuy

It's both. You're over reacting. This is sports. I'm not wishing anyone to die or get hurt. I'm just hoping the other team (s) fail because it improves my teams chances of success. It also makes for a great humble pie recipe. You're acting like Leaf fans are the only fanbase to see sports as a rivalry and a competition between teams/fans and the trash talk that goes with. I don't get it.

That's just insecurity. Your satisfaction should be tied to the Leafs success; not others' pain
- PhillySportsGuy

(frank)in twiztedmike

A lottery is all about luck. Not skiLloyd or brilliance. But it doesn't start and end with Matthews. It's more than that. Like getting a good goalie. A good coach. Making very good trades. Thing guys like Marner and Matthews. Players like Brown and Zaitsev stepping up. Etc.

It's a whole shift in the organization. Matthews is just the centerpiece but by no means the sole reason for the turn around of the franchise.
- systemtool

All we're saying is that things have gone VERY right for the Leafs. They've caught almost every break.

What? No one has said that the Leafs rebuilding was a bad decision, it's been great actually. He's simply stating that there has been a good amount of luck with it as well. ARZ picking Strome over Marner and winning Matthews helped big time. Canucks being idiots as usual and picking Virtanen over Ehlers/Nylander helped as well.
- Nucker101

Absolutely luck has to do with everything sports. Datsyuk, Palat, Weber the list goes on and on.

You've been on HB long enough. I'm sure you can understand where Leafs fans are coming from. To say (not you) that Leafs fans haven't been trolled is an insane statement. This thread basically exists because of what Spatso (and Dopps to a lesser extent) have said over the passed 3 or 4 years. To have a couple of Philly fans (not you) come in and act like mediators is (frank)ing bizzare considering the circumstances.

Again, Spatso truly deserves all of this. You don't see any Leafs fans talk smack about Gord Wilson (Sens poster) for example. Leafs fans aren't really in Hawks, Flyers, Penguins, Sabres threads. I don't even think I've seen a single Leafs fan comment in the Rangers thread after last night's game.

This is all about Spats

(frank)in twiztedmike
- daeth

All we're saying is that things have gone VERY right for the Leafs. They've caught almost every break.
- PhillySportsGuy

Which is ridiculous and convenient. Some luck but also great decisions. Not sure what break they've caught other than Matthews.

A lottery is all about luck. Not skiLloyd or brilliance. But it doesn't start and end with Matthews. It's more than that. Like getting a good goalie. A good coach. Making very good trades. Thing guys like Marner and Matthews. Players like Brown and Zaitsev stepping up. Etc.

It's a whole shift in the organization. Matthews is just the centerpiece but by no means the sole reason for the turn around of the franchise.
- systemtool

For sure. The small moves to add quality depth is what separates the tank failures from the success stories. But still, the Leafs rebuild wouldn't look nearly as masterful and would be much slower if they had Strome and Puljujarvi instead of Matthews and Marner. Multiple Brown's and Zaitsev's don't move the needle as much as a Matthews or Marner.


They've made a lot of great moves to put themselves in a position where some luck would really help accelerate the rebuild. I get what you guys are saying though.

All we're saying is that things have gone VERY right for the Leafs. They've caught almost every break.
- PhillySportsGuy

stop overreacting

Absolutely luck has to do with everything sports. Datsyuk, Palat, Weber the list goes on and on.

You've been on HB long enough. I'm sure you can understand where Leafs fans are coming from. To say (not you) that Leafs fans haven't been trolled is an insane statement. This thread basically exists because of what Spatso (and Dopps to a lesser extent) have said over the passed 3 or 4 years. To have a couple of Philly fans (not you) come in and act like mediators is (frank)ing bizzare considering the circumstances.

Again, Spatso truly deserves all of this. You don't see any Leafs fans talk smack about Gord Wilson (Sens poster) for example. Leafs fans aren't really in Hawks, Flyers, Penguins, Sabres threads. I don't even think I've seen a single Leafs fan comment in the Rangers thread after last night's game.

This is all about Spats
- walshyleafsfan

damn dude, you are obsessed

For sure. The small moves to add quality depth is what separates the tank failures from the success stories. But still, the Leafs rebuild wouldn't look nearly as masterful and would be much slower if they had Strome and Puljujarvi instead of Matthews and Marner. Multiple Brown's and Zaitsev's don't move the needle as much as a Matthews or Marner.
- Nucker101

stop complaining

All we're saying is that things have gone VERY right for the Leafs. They've caught almost every break.
- PhillySportsGuy

Yeah. Their schedule has been an absolute charm. That doesn't seem like all you're saying

damn dude, you are obsessed
- Crimsoninja

Classic

For sure. The small moves to add quality depth is what separates the tank failures from the success stories. But still, the Leafs rebuild wouldn't look nearly as masterful and would be much slower if they had Strome and Puljujarvi instead of Matthews and Marner. Multiple Brown's and Zaitsev's don't move the needle as much as a Matthews or Marner.
- Nucker101

Thats ridiculous. Leafs could have taken Hanafin over Marner. You're just being silly now. The LEAFS took Marner because they knew him well. Hunter, who they hired, knewe him for years. Babcock wanted Hanafin. In the end it was the teams scouts who got their man and that's not luck.

Spatso is probably gonna be reading all of this with a giant smile on his face



He won

For sure. The small moves to add quality depth is what separates the tank failures from the success stories. But still, the Leafs rebuild wouldn't look nearly as masterful and would be much slower if they had Strome and Puljujarvi instead of Matthews and Marner. Multiple Brown's and Zaitsev's don't move the needle as much as a Matthews or Marner.


They've made a lot of great moves to put themselves in a position where some luck would really help accelerate the rebuild. I get what you guys are saying though.
- Nucker101

Think about how much better the Sabres would be with McDavid. People would talk about how great they could be while the Oilers continue to be idiots.

stop being apologetic to the spatso and d0pps alts

if they are crying about you being mean on the internet, you say (frank) YOU

Thanks ridiculous. Leafs could have taken Hana find over Marner. You're just being silly now. The LEAFS took Marner because they knew him well. Hunter, who they hired, knewe him for years. Babcock wanted Hanafin. In the end it was the teams scouts washout got their man and that's not luck.
- systemtool

What the (frank) is this?


The Leafs had no control over drafting Marner if the Yotes took him you idiot

Spatso is probably gonna be reading all of this with a giant smile on his face



He won
- Nucker101

What did he win?

Spatso is probably gonna be reading all of this with a giant smile on his face



He won
- Nucker101

Think about how much better the Sabres would be with McDavid. People would talk about how great they could be while the Oilers continue to be idiots.
- PhillySportsGuy

exactly

What did he win?
- systemtool

He got the "W"

For sure. The small moves to add quality depth is what separates the tank failures from the success stories. But still, the Leafs rebuild wouldn't look nearly as masterful and would be much slower if they had Strome and Puljujarvi instead of Matthews and Marner. Multiple Brown's and Zaitsev's don't move the needle as much as a Matthews or Marner.


They've made a lot of great moves to put themselves in a position where some luck would really help accelerate the rebuild. I get what you guys are saying though.
- Nucker101

Its not about luck.

Lou fixed the Matthews draft.

Its not about luck.

Lou fixed the Matthews draft.
- Tumbleweed

probs