Who over the age of 12 watches the allstar game?
- Tumbleweed

That's my point. If you're over about 16 and you watch the ASG, you should be ashamed

Who over the age of 12 watches the allstar game?
- Tumbleweed

Probably a lot of people

Probably a lot of people
- Nucker101

Oh

Probably a lot of people
- Nucker101

They're just mad Kesler's kid has beaten Price more often than the Leafs.

They're just mad Kesler's kid has beaten Price more often than the Leafs.
- golfingsince

Huh???

why does it say 06/25/2017??? that's a date in the future. did you make this up doops?

the Vegas odds have the Leafs at 50 to 1 and the senaturds at 60 to 1.

http://www.espn.com/chalk...tgate-las-vegas-superbook
- prock

You'll have to ask the website administrator ........... perhaps that's the date the Playoffs end????



see for yourself, I don't make shit up, that's your job.
http://www.vegasinsider.com/nhl/odds/futures/

If you check out the other leagues (NFL) they date the Odds when finals are completed, season over. Not to hard to figure out.



Odds to win 2016-17 Super Bowl LI (2/5/17)

Odds to win the 2016-17 NBA Finals (6/15/17)

You'll have to ask the website administrator ........... perhaps that's the date the Playoffs end????



see for yourself, I don't make shit up, that's your job.
http://www.vegasinsider.com/nhl/odds/futures/

If you check out the other leagues (NFL) they date the Odds when finals are completed, season over. Not to hard to figure out.



Odds to win 2016-17 Super Bowl LI (2/5/17)

Odds to win the 2016-17 NBA Finals (6/15/17)
- D0PPELGANGER

rebuilding last place poopty Leafs better odds than the Sens

rebuilding last place poopty Leafs better odds than the Sens
- senstroll

depends on which site you look at though.........

but take your victories where you can I guess.

depends on which site you look at though.........

but take your victories where you can I guess.
- D0PPELGANGER

no YOU!!

using vegas odds to determine who is in a better position is probably a new low for this thread. did anyone think that was even possible at this point?

using vegas odds to determine who is in a better position is probably a new low for this thread. did anyone think that was even possible at this point?
- daeth

Lower than ignoring the reality of the current standings, and projecting a "better situation" at some point in future, when someone thinks the team they support will better that the other?

What's next, predicting a terminator will just come back from this future and re-rail the team that will be in the better position in the future?

Let's just see how the season ends up, and the team higher in the standings is the one in the better situation.

If both one or both teams make the playoffs, then after they conclude their playoff run, then that team will be in the better situation ................. and let's forget about draft position, and this years' draft is not nearly as good, from what I've heard, than the last few.

Lower than ignoring the reality of the current standings, and projecting a "better situation" at some point in future, when someone thinks the team they support will better that the other?

What's next, predicting a terminator will just come back from this future and re-rail the team that will be in the better position in the future?

Let's just see how the season ends up, and the team higher in the standings is the one in the better situation.

If both one or both teams make the playoffs, then after they conclude their playoff run, then that team will be in the better situation ................. and let's forget about draft position, and this years' draft is not nearly as good, from what I've heard, than the last few.
- D0PPELGANGER

I guess it all depends on what your definition of "situation" is.

I guess it all depends on what your definition of "situation" is.
- daeth

we should just re-name this thread for what it really is

"prock and spatso make asses of themselves while everyone else mocks them"

i would wager that that accurately describes about 80-85% of this thread.

according to the numbers Leafs and Sens have a tough 2nd half

https://theathletic.com/3...afs-second-half-schedule/

If either the Leafs or the Senators fall out of the playoffs it might just be because they run out of gas.

according to the numbers Leafs and Sens have a tough 2nd half

https://theathletic.com/3...afs-second-half-schedule/



- senstroll

This table does not make a lot of sense. The Senators do not have many games left against teams currently sitting in a playoff position. They do end the season with a long string of games on the road. But they have a long string of home games before.

This table does not make a lot of sense. The Senators do not have many games left against teams currently sitting in a playoff position. They do end the season with a long string of games on the road. But they have a long string of home games before.
- spatso

according to this site the sens actually have the easiest remaining schedule based on winning % in the conference

http://www.playoffstatus....hl/easternsosrg.html#sflx

it seems like strength of schedule is like playoff odds, each site looks at it differently and shows different numbers...........although I'm not sure why since unlike playoff odds strength of schedule is pretty easy to figure out.

either way, Ottawa's schedule outside of a small stretch in March is pretty soft to end the year.

according to this site the sens actually have the easiest remaining schedule based on winning % in the conference

http://www.playoffstatus....hl/easternsosrg.html#sflx

it seems like strength of schedule is like playoff odds, each site looks at it differently and shows different numbers...........although I'm not sure why since unlike playoff odds strength of schedule is pretty easy to figure out.

either way, Ottawa's schedule outside of a small stretch in March is pretty soft to end the year.
- sensarmy_11

i'm guessing the original one goes on each teams win % against the remaining teams. dumb way to do it due to tiny sample size.

the leafs schedule the rest of the way will be rough because they have more games remaining than most teams, so they'll have less rest. same with ottawa.

i'm guessing the original one goes on each teams win % against the remaining teams. dumb way to do it due to tiny sample size.

the leafs schedule the rest of the way will be rough because they have more games remaining than most teams, so they'll have less rest. same with ottawa.
- daeth

I think I heard (on the radio) that the leafs & Sens have something like 35 games remaining, in 69 days, so slightly less than a game every second day on average ...... not leaving much time for practicing for the rest of the season.

Then I guess if you look at each teams' travel schedule, you could say one team has a "harder" schedule than the other.

So I would suggest that this will rest the depth of each team, as fatigue, injury and illness will undoubtedly have an impact on both teams, and roster changes and call ups will be used much more over the rest of the season.

I'm familiar with Ottawas' depth in Binghamton, as there have been a number of call ups over the season so far, but not so much with the leafs depth in the AHL.

I think I heard (on the radio) that the leafs & Sens have something like 35 games remaining, in 69 days, so slightly less than a game every second day on average ...... not leaving much time for practicing for the rest of the season.

Then I guess if you look at each teams' travel schedule, you could say one team has a "harder" schedule than the other.

So I would suggest that this will rest the depth of each team, as fatigue, injury and illness will undoubtedly have an impact on both teams, and roster changes and call ups will be used much more over the rest of the season.

I'm familiar with Ottawas' depth in Binghamton, as there have been a number of call ups over the season so far, but not so much with the leafs depth in the AHL.
- D0PPELGANGER

Leafs have forward depth with Kapanen and Leipsic (once back from injury) and then guys like Rychel, Leivo and Froese. Vets like Laich, Greening and Michalek could play a shift on the 4th line.

D depth isn't great as I doubt they want Nielsen or Dermott in the NHL this year. The D depth will come from Corrado and Holl. So not much

How many of the Leafs rookies have ever played 82 games in a year? You usually expect rookies to get better over time but maybe fatigue will become a factor for some of them. It'll be interesting to see.

I figured I'd do a quick check. Marner played 80 games last year and only got better as the games went on in the Memorial Cup. Interesting.

Matthews played less. 57 games total? Something like that.

Brown has played a full AHL season in the past.

This table does not make a lot of sense. The Senators do not have many games left against teams currently sitting in a playoff position. They do end the season with a long string of games on the road. But they have a long string of home games before.
- spatso

But If a team is sitting in a playoff spot right now or not is not an exact correlation to if they are playing well at this moment or how they have played or will play going forward. Its a mistake to just look at the standings and Say Yup Ottawa has it easy the rest of the way.

Hockey is strange.. Teams can play well against "good" teams and poop the bed against weaker teams down the stretch

that model takes into account the schedule and b2b/rested teams etc..

All of this is to say that scheduling impacts results. It’s part of the reason Toronto and Ottawa have done so well through the first 60 per cent of the season while Boston has struggled. But the two Ontario teams will have to deal with a bit more adversity over the next couple of months. They’ve got a lot of games in hand, sure, but those games will be harder to win than they were over the first half.

I figured I'd do a quick check. Marner played 80 games last year and only got better as the games went on in the Memorial Cup. Interesting.

Matthews played less. 57 games total? Something like that.

Brown has played a full AHL season in the past.
- daeth

I think 80 games in jr is very different from 80 games in the NHL........not saying he's going to falter or anything, just that in the NHL it's not just the games, it's morning skates, practices on off days, plus all the travel. you don't have nearly as much of any of those things in jr hockey. if anything I would think the travel is more exhausting than anything else.

I think if any of the rookies will "fatigue" though it's likely going to be Matthews. he only played 40 games last year (plus WJC) so lets say like 46..........he's already past that this year. not saying he will fatigue, but I imagine he's the most likely having never played anywhere near 80 games.

But If a team is sitting in a playoff spot right now or not is not an exact correlation to if they are playing well at this moment or how they have played or will play going forward. Its a mistake to just look at the standings and Say Yup Ottawa has it easy the rest of the way.

Hockey is strange.. Teams can play well against "good" teams and shit the bed against weaker teams down the stretch

that model takes into account the schedule and b2b/rested teams etc..
- senstroll

right the freak on buddy.

I think I heard (on the radio) that the leafs & Sens have something like 35 games remaining, in 69 days, so slightly less than a game every second day on average ...... not leaving much time for practicing for the rest of the season.

Then I guess if you look at each teams' travel schedule, you could say one team has a "harder" schedule than the other.

So I would suggest that this will rest the depth of each team, as fatigue, injury and illness will undoubtedly have an impact on both teams, and roster changes and call ups will be used much more over the rest of the season.

I'm familiar with Ottawas' depth in Binghamton, as there have been a number of call ups over the season so far, but not so much with the leafs depth in the AHL.
- D0PPELGANGER

right.. that has more of an impact than a softer schedule in terms of where a team is in the standings.

I looked at the Sens next 10 games.. and I dont see a lot of guaranteed wins. Sure there are Devils, Islanders and Hurricanes who are not in a playoff spot.. but they are not just poop teams Like Colorado.. they are basically a 3 game winning streak from being a wild card team. The standing are a mirage