a 4th liner doesn't really improve their chances of making the playoffs. gauthier was the least of their problems. if boyle was signed for another year or two it'd be more palatable. the leafs should not be buyers right now. it's insane that they are. feels like a burke move.
- daeth

hence my comment about abandoning the Shanaplan

Arguable, because he's a leaf for 21 games, plus any in the playoffs. So very short period of time to be of significant benefit as you pointed out.

Don't think they'll be signing him beyond that.

And yes, you've stated (earlier in the season) that there are a number of pieces that could have been moved at the deadline, but will not now ......... and there is not a real guarantee that they'll make the playoffs this season (66%), and if they do , just like the Sens, not a very good chance they can go beyond two rounds.
- D0PPELGANGER

Yes, I'm saying that this is the first playoff run for a bunch of very young kids. Having someone there to "show them how it's done" can be of value.

Seems like that's the perfect time to trade vets who have reached their full value to me.
- prock

You need 6 very good players and a bunch of really good role players to win a Stanley Cup. And you need a superstar that is able to carry to team when it gets really tough.

You need an elite centre, a power forward, a speed forward, an elite #1 D, a solid #2 D and a good NHL goaltender.

A guy like a Brian Boyle is a great fit on any team that has a Stamkos, Kucherov, Hedman, Stralman and Bishop et. al., Good role players can be the difference between making the playoffs and winning a championship or not. Really important, a player that does not succeed as a good 1st or 2nd line player cannot always drop down and be a good role player.

You need 6 very good players and a bunch of really good role players to win a Stanley Cup. And you need a superstar that is able to carry to team when it gets really tough.

You need an elite centre, a power forward, a speed forward, an elite #1 D, a solid #2 D and a good NHL goaltender.

A guy like a Brian Boyle is a great fit on any team that has a Stamkos, Kucherov, Hedman, Stralman and Bishop et. al., Good role players can be the difference between making the playoffs and winning a championship or not. Really important, a player that does not succeed as a good 1st or 2nd line player cannot always drop down and be a good role player.
- spatso

you are a dense mother(frank)er

They gave up a 2nd round pick for a 4th liner

Come on

You can get 4th liners for a 6th round pick
- twiztedmike

winnik brought back a 6th when we sold him?

You need 6 very good players and a bunch of really good role players to win a Stanley Cup. And you need a superstar that is able to carry to team when it gets really tough.

You need an elite centre, a power forward, a speed forward, an elite #1 D, a solid #2 D and a good NHL goaltender.

A guy like a Brian Boyle is a great fit on any team that has a Stamkos, Kucherov, Hedman, Stralman and Bishop et. al., Good role players can be the difference between making the playoffs and winning a championship or not. Really important, a player that does not succeed as a good 1st or 2nd line player cannot always drop down and be a good role player.
- spatso

What's your point?

winnik brought back a 6th when we sold him?
- Tumbleweed

Listen

Just because 1 idiot jumps off a bridge to kill himself doesn't mean its acceptable or right or something anyone else should do. Maybe you should, I dunno.

Listen

Just because 1 idiot jumps off a bridge doesn't mean its acceptable or right or something anyone else should do. Maybe you should, I dunno.
- twiztedmike

veteran nhler's who can play a depth role don't go for 6th's.

junk players like holland who should be in the ahl do.

Really good teams might add two rookies in an exceptional year. Bad teams can add multiple rookies because they are invested in the future rather than the immediate season.

So, if a team adds a rookie player or two each year they still have another 5 or 6 top prospects picks playing at a lower level that is likely never going to make it. If a team has multiple prospects, it is crazy not to move them as part of your asset management. Chicago, Pittsburgh and LA are teams that have had great post season success. They have also moved assets every year in order to fill in the missing holes.

veteran nhler's who can play a depth role don't go for 6th's.

junk players like holland who should be in the ahl do.
- Tumbleweed

no

its the trade deadline where once a year, GMs go full spatso and overpay when they really shouldn't

What's your point?
- prock

Boyle is a good trade for the Leafs.

no

its the trade deadline where once a year, GMs go full spatso and overpay when they really shouldn't
- twiztedmike

the trade deadline allows to you build a roster that you would otherwise not be able to at the beginning of the year. there is a premium attached to that.

our cupboards are plenty full, and we'll be reacquiring picks when we sell bozak and jvr.

it's ok to trade picks, as long as you recoup them.

the trade deadline allows to you build a roster that you would otherwise not be able to at the beginning of the year. there is a premium attached to that.

our cupboards are plenty full, and we'll be reacquiring picks when we sell bozak and jvr.

it's ok to trade picks, as long as you recoup them.
- Tumbleweed

Having three seconds this year would have allowed us to move up in the draft very easily and very high

Having three seconds this year would have allowed us to move up in the draft very easily and very high
- twiztedmike

moving up in the draft is a burke move.

gm's overvalue moving up. moving down in the 2nd/3rd rounds is where it's at.

odds of finding nhl players in the 2nd/3rd rounds aren't that much different.

moving up in the draft is a burke move.

gm's overvalue moving up. moving down in the 2nd/3rd rounds is where it's at.

odds of finding nhl players in the 2nd/3rd rounds aren't that much different.
- Tumbleweed

what are these, alternative facts?

a 4th liner doesn't really improve their chances of making the playoffs. gauthier was the least of their problems. if boyle was signed for another year or two it'd be more palatable. the leafs should not be buyers right now. it's insane that they are. feels like a burke move.
- daeth

the move doesnt bother me

If it means less of Smith. Boyle is a good 3/4 option. its def one of thier problems
Also he seems like a Babcock type of player...wouldnt surprise me if they sign him later.

Also we dont know what the moves are yet between this point and the draft.

A couple small moves to hopefully push towards the playoffs is fine... the perpetual rebuild stuff had to start to end

what are these, alternative facts?
- twiztedmike

why do you think the leafs trade down? pretty easy to read up on draft history.

why do you think the leafs trade down? pretty easy to read up on draft history.
- Tumbleweed

Yeah we traded down and got Bracco and some other middling prospects when we could have Travis Kocecny

don't have to look very far at all

Yeah we traded down and got Bracco and some other middling prospects when we could have Travis Kocecny

don't have to look very far at all
- twiztedmike

Bracco, dermott and dzeirkals.

And we traded up for biggs


Maybe management is still incompetent

Yeah we traded down and got Bracco and some other middling prospects when we could have Travis Kocecny

don't have to look very far at all
- twiztedmike

Leafs lost the trade cuz one of the players in in the NHL now

Leafs lost the trade cuz one of the players in in the NHL now
- senstroll

sens lose trade for stalberg

sens lose trade for stalberg
- Tumbleweed

12 points in almost 60 games. Why are they trading for these guys????

They're down to 8 draft picks in the next TWO drafts.

Leafs have 11 in 2018 right now alone. 7 in 2017.

They really don't seem to care about the draft anymore.

12 points in almost 60 games. Why are they trading for these guys????

They're down to 8 draft picks in the next TWO drafts.

Leafs have 11 in 2018 right now alone. 7 in 2017.

They really don't seem to care about the draft anymore.
- prock

Melynk is happening.

I hope he happens again tomorrow after he hears the media taking a dump on his moves.

Melynk is happening.

I hope he happens again tomorrow after he hears the media taking a dump on his moves.
- Tumbleweed

desperately trying to make the playoffs?

I don't know man, they're really gutting the team of draft picks. So little left. This causes problems long term.

They're down to a first, 4th, and 6th, in the upcoming draft.

No draft picks. No cap space/budget. Aging players.

desperately trying to make the playoffs?

I don't know man, they're really gutting the team of draft picks. So little left. This causes problems long term.

They're down to a first, 4th, and 6th, in the upcoming draft.

No draft picks. No cap space/budget. Aging players.
- prock

It's a mess.

And no players to trade in offseason to get draft picks back.

Melnyk is running the sens into the ground through his puppet gm. I say let him have it for as long as possible.