I never ragged on him f9r his plus minus. man, did they forget to build schools in Ottawa? learn to read.

I think it's ridiculous that sens fans tried to argue he was good defensively when he was getting amazingly cushy zone deployment, rather easy competition on average, and still managed to be on the ice for far more goals than any other player in the league at 5 on 5.

trying to argue that's a good defensive player is a farce. Karlsson was arguably the worst defensive dman on the whole league.

he's improved though, I'll give credit where credit is due. with the sens new focus on d, he's arguably most brought himself up to average. still below average, but hey not the AHL player in his own zone he used to be.
- prock

You're saying never when you mean always.......I'd be more worried about the school system wherever you came from.

Rielly isn't a great point producer and is AWFUL defensively.......

Seriously. It was a huge error for the Leafs to let Phaneuf go in a trade to Ottawa. Obviously the Leaf defence is bad and getting worse. Young guys have no mentor to help them learn the NHL game. Reilly has become a disaster and the Leafs need to get back to the drawing board.
- spatso

they have Boyle, for the remainder of the regular season ........ great acquisition right?

perhaps you need to think about the mess the sens have in general.
- prock

The "mess" that has them currently with the 8th best record in the NHL.

Seriously. It was a huge error for the Leafs to let Phaneuf go in a trade to Ottawa. Obviously the Leaf defence is bad and getting worse. Young guys have no mentor to help them learn the NHL game. Reilly has become a disaster and the Leafs need to get back to the drawing board.
- spatso

lol sure

Why is Dion the only one that could Mentor Rielly?
What about the 200+ games they played on the same team over 3 years? was he not mentoring then? Its just now he needs it? How does that work? Please enlighten me on your Mentoring expertise and how Dion is the only one capable of Mentoring the young players.

Having Polak who is 30 with 600+ NHL games, his mentoring does not count
Martin, Bozak, Komarov, Hunwick who are all pushing 30 with hundreds of NHL games.. cant mentor.

The coaches and everyone upwards are the Mentors...

Just admit you are talking out your ass and making poop up...

Prock digging a fox hole for the long off season.

Ottawa's worst (plus/minus) Center is their fourth liner, Chris Kelly at -13
toronto's first line center, the great Kadri, is a -12


I see you're totally leaving the so called toronto defense alone.

The leafs most hyped D Man, Morgan Reilly went a minus five last night .......... first leaf D Man to do that since Brian "the canopener" McCabe .......... Reilly would not even make Ottawa's top 6 D men, and would probably be exposed in the expansion draft...... he would most likely be safe with a minus 22 rating though.

Dion Phaneuf is only a minus 5 .............. but that's only due Ottawa's lucky hot back up goaltender, right?
- D0PPELGANGER

jfc you are really doing it ..going full spatso

jfc you are really doing it ..going full spatso
- senstroll

Was responding to Glucky, who make it a habit to trash individual Senator players, and does not realize that he lives in a glasshouse, and if he's tough enough to throw stones, then he's tough enough to face up to the shortcomings of one of his precious leaf players.

Notice that he has not, and will not defend Reilly, and the claim that he could not take the place of one Ottawa's top 6 d men.

Was responding to Glucky, who make it a habit to trash individual Senator players, and does not realize that he lives in a glasshouse, and if he's tough enough to throw stones, then he's tough enough to face up to the shortcomings of one of his precious leaf players.

Notice that he has not, and will not defend Reilly, and the claim that he could not take the place of one Ottawa's top 6 d men.
- D0PPELGANGER

Thats just dumb and not worth responding to to be honest.

Rielly is not right, its clear to see. You dont get the full story during the season..and with the Leafs and Lou we may not.

Such a bizarre season. Leafs have blown away expectations. I would say 95% of hockey fans had them as a Lottery team this season. they are not a perfect team, and shouldnt be exptected to be one...not even 1 year after finishing 30th

Thats just dumb and not worth responding to to be honest.

Rielly is not right, its clear to see. You dont get the full story during the season..and with the Leafs and Lou we may not.

Such a bizarre season. Leafs have blown away expectations. I would say 95% of hockey fans had them as a Lottery team this season. they are not a perfect team, and shouldnt be exptected to be one...not even 1 year after finishing 30th
- senstroll

But, according to your buddy, prock, they're going to win the cup sometime in the next 2 or 3 years years.

Thats just dumb and not worth responding to to be honest.

Rielly is not right, its clear to see. You dont get the full story during the season..and with the Leafs and Lou we may not.

Such a bizarre season. Leafs have blown away expectations. I would say 95% of hockey fans had them as a Lottery team this season. they are not a perfect team, and shouldnt be exptected to be one...not even 1 year after finishing 30th
- senstroll

If by not right you mean not nearly as good as you guys thought he'd be then I agree.

He's a train wreck.....one of the worst defensive players in the game. He's above average (but not by a whole lot) offensively and that's about all he's got.

Within three years from the beginning of this season, or from now?
- D0PPELGANGER

Well Dopps, given that there are no cups that are won from October to March 15, three years from either point includes the same set of Stanley Cup champions, doesn't it?

Jeez, I think we're starting to get some serious evidence of a problem with the Ottawa school system.

You're saying never when you mean always.......I'd be more worried about the school system wherever you came from.

Rielly isn't a great point producer and is AWFUL defensively.......

- sensarmy_11

Point it out then. If it's always, then it should be easy for you to reference.

Rielly is FAR better defensively than Karlsson. Not that we're setting the bar high with Karlsson, but whatever.

Point it out then. If it's always, then it should be easy for you to reference.

Rielly is FAR better defensively than Karlsson. Not that we're setting the bar high with Karlsson, but whatever.
- prock

But, according to your buddy, prock, they're going to win the cup sometime in the next 2 or 3 years years.
- D0PPELGANGER

That's the goal, and I'd say they're right on track for it.

Point it out then. If it's always, then it should be easy for you to reference.

Rielly is FAR better defensively than Karlsson. Not that we're setting the bar high with Karlsson, but whatever.
- prock

Wasn't enough the first time

Wasn't nought the first time


- sensarmy_11

Speak (frank)ing English please.

Speak (frank)ing English please.
- prock

Grammar police.....a sure indication that you're winning an argument

But, according to your buddy, prock, they're going to win the cup sometime in the next 2 or 3 years years.
- D0PPELGANGER

Thats the timeline if its going to happen yes

Take Chicago...the comparisons are fun

Miss playoffs 9/10 years
2006 - Toews
2007 - Kane
2008 - Missed playoffs but big jump in points
2009 - Long playoff Run
2010 - Won Cup

Miss playoffs 10/11 years
2015 - Marner
2016 - Matthews
2017 - Missed playoffs but big jump in points
2018 - ?
2019 - ?

Obviously a lot of things to happen for the Leafs, building depth and finding a Solid top pairing D. Not an easy task but not impossible

If by not right you mean not nearly as good as you guys thought he'd be then I agree.

He's a train wreck.....one of the worst defensive players in the game. He's above average (but not by a whole lot) offensively and that's about all he's got.
- sensarmy_11

No I mean his injury.. he has not been the same since.

Thats the timeline if its going to happen yes

Take Chicago...the comparisons are fun

Miss playoffs 9/10 years
2006 - Toews
2007 - Kane
2008 - Missed playoffs but big jump in points
2009 - Long playoff Run
2010 - Won Cup

Miss playoffs 10/11 years
2015 - Marner
2016 - Matthews
2017 - Missed playoffs but big jump in points
2018 - ?
2019 - ?

Obviously a lot of things to happen for the Leafs, building depth and finding a Solid top pairing D. Not an easy task but not impossible
- senstroll

Pretty sure you left out a few important pieces from the Hawks

Keith, Seabrook, Hossa, byfuglien, sharp, etc, etc, etc

Hawks were much further ahead after 07 then the Leafs will be after this year

No I mean his injury.. he has not been the same since.
- senstroll

Sorry but knee injuries don't lead to your hockey IQ dropping..........he is such a positional training wreck in his own end it's almost become comical

Pretty sure you left out a few important pieces from the Hawks

Keith, Seabrook, Hossa, byfuglien, sharp, etc, etc, etc

Hawks were much further ahead after 07 then the Leafs will be after this year
- sensarmy_11

I also left out Nylander, Kadri, Rielly, Gardiner... those parts are in place already.

in 2007-08 Kane/Toews were Rookies, there was no Hossa he came later when you start to add those pieces.

Slightly ahead, sure.. but there is no exact model for winning

Sorry but knee injuries don't lead to your hockey IQ dropping..........he is such a positional training wreck in his own end it's almost become comical
- sensarmy_11

Comments like this really make me wonder about Fans and what they actually know about hockey

Comments like this really make me wonder about Fans and what they actually know about hockey
- senstroll

Just got to laugh at the stupidity.

Thats the timeline if its going to happen yes

Take Chicago...the comparisons are fun

Miss playoffs 9/10 years
2006 - Toews
2007 - Kane
2008 - Missed playoffs but big jump in points
2009 - Long playoff Run
2010 - Won Cup

Miss playoffs 10/11 years
2015 - Marner
2016 - Matthews
2017 - Missed playoffs but big jump in points
2018 - ?
2019 - ?

Obviously a lot of things to happen for the Leafs, building depth and finding a Solid top pairing D. Not an easy task but not impossible
- senstroll

This is the best post in the history of this God forsaken hell hole