You guys need to stop whining and accept the reality of the scoreboard. You always end up trying to argue hopes rather than substance.

We have listened to this kind of talk from Leaf fans every year since forever. Nothing changes if nothing changes. Need a more realistic understanding of just exactly where the Leafs find themselves at this point.
- spatso

brassard for duchene

You guys need to stop whining and accept the reality of the scoreboard. You always end up trying to argue hopes rather than substance.

We have listened to this kind of talk from Leaf fans every year since forever. Nothing changes if nothing changes. Need a more realistic understanding of just exactly where the Leafs find themselves at this point.
- spatso

Whining? Are you referring to our exuberance over one of the best young teams in the league "whining"?

Man, the excitement in Leafs nation sure has you sens fans in a huff alright.

You guys need to stop whining and accept the reality of the scoreboard. You always end up trying to argue hopes rather than substance.

We have listened to this kind of talk from Leaf fans every year since forever. Nothing changes if nothing changes. Need a more realistic understanding of just exactly where the Leafs find themselves at this point.
- spatso

No hopes, just the current situation. Leafs are a young team exceeding expectations, Sens are an aging team with a closing window(if it was ever open) and no hope to win the cup in the foreseeable future.

That's the reality of the situation. You can be as short sighted as you like, I suppose it helps dull the pain.

brassard for duchene
- Tumbleweed

I'm not sure about Colorado's cap situation, but maybe they'd want a guy like Brassard if they were struggling to hit the cap floor, and he was a throw-in. No other reason that I could see them wanting him.

No hopes, just the current situation. Leafs are a young team exceeding expectations, Sens are an aging team with a closing window(if it was ever open) and no hope to win the cup in the foreseeable future.

That's the reality of the situation. You can be as short sighted as you like, I suppose it helps dull the pain.
- Feeling Glucky?

I love how much it bothers you that the sens are 1 point out of the division lead with the like 7th best record in the league and the Leafs are likely to miss the playoffs for the 11th time in 12 years.

The butt hurt is so obvious and the fact that you can't admit and just talk about your 3 rookies while completely ignoring the GLARING holes in your lineup with nothing in your organization to fix them..........it's SOOOO delicious

Now please, proceed to tell us how young you are and how old we are (even though the avg age is only 2 years apart).

I love how much it bothers you that the sens are 1 point out of the division lead with the like 7th best record in the league and the Leafs are likely to miss the playoffs for the 11th time in 12 years.

The butt hurt is so obvious and the fact that you can't admit and just talk about your 3 rookies while completely ignoring the GLARING holes in your lineup with nothing in your organization to fix them..........it's SOOOO delicious

Now please, proceed to tell us how young you are and how old we are (even though the avg age is only 2 years apart).
- sensarmy_11

I like how much it bothers Sens fans that the Leafs are 1 point out of the playoffs, knowing that their team has nothing in the wings to improve their team, and an owner who won't pay up to build a winner. I'm very curious to see what young player the Sens kick out next for expecting a raise.

I fully admit the Leafs have a hole on D. They've got a couple of excellent d prospects on the marlies, but I imagine that management will also make moves to improve the NHL side of things while those guys mature. Remember, this team has money, and assets to trade.

The average age isn't what's important. The Sens have one player under 25 worth a damn. The Leafs have 3 rookies under 20 who are likely to end the season over 60 points. I'm not sure the Sens will have a single forward that hits that mark this year. It's weird, normally teams with the awful possession stats the Sens have are run and gun system that promotes offence.

A team with no offensive ability and poor possession numbers isn't going to go anywhere. But you'll see that soon enough.

are you telling me that a young team one year removed from last place doesn't have every piece required to win a cup yet?

tear it down

rebuild the rebuild

fire babcock

trade matthews

are you telling me that a young team one year removed from last place doesn't have every piece required to win a cup yet?

tear it down

rebuild the rebuild

fire babcock

trade matthews
- daeth

Sens fans are scrambling. It's priceless.

Sens fans are scrambling. It's priceless.
- Feeling Glucky?

If anyone knows scrambling it's you.......keep it up though, I love how much it bugs you guys that Ottawa is doing well

I like how much it bothers Sens fans that the Leafs are 1 point out of the playoffs, knowing that their team has nothing in the wings to improve their team, and an owner who won't pay up to build a winner. I'm very curious to see what young player the Sens kick out next for expecting a raise.

I fully admit the Leafs have a hole on D. They've got a couple of excellent d prospects on the marlies, but I imagine that management will also make moves to improve the NHL side of things while those guys mature. Remember, this team has money, and assets to trade.

The average age isn't what's important. The Sens have one player under 25 worth a damn. The Leafs have 3 rookies under 20 who are likely to end the season over 60 points. I'm not sure the Sens will have a single forward that hits that mark this year. It's weird, normally teams with the awful possession stats the Sens have are run and gun system that promotes offence.

A team with no offensive ability and poor possession numbers isn't going to go anywhere. But you'll see that soon enough.

- Feeling Glucky?

who is the player under 25 worth a damn?

Sens fans are scrambling. It's priceless.
- Feeling Glucky?

So dull.

So dull.
- spatso

you are the master of it

who is the player under 25 worth a damn?
- prock

I guess Stone doesn't officially qualify for under 25 anymore. But him. He'd be a good second line winger on the Leafs.

I guess Stone doesn't officially qualify for under 25 anymore. But him. He'd be a good second line winger on the Leafs.
- Feeling Glucky?

I'd think him and kadri would be good third line material. checking line.

I'd think him and kadri would be good third line material. checking line.
- prock

I wouldn't say no.

I'd think him and kadri would be good third line material. checking line.
- prock

Awwww........weak attempts at trolling, another tell tale sign that you're very bothered by how well Ottawa is doing this year.

Keep it up, I love this.

Quick, tell me about your rookies again, and how bad Karlsson is......

Awwww........weak attempts at trolling, another tell tale sign that you're very bothered by how well Ottawa is doing this year.

Keep it up, I love this.

Quick, tell me about your rookies again, and how bad Karlsson is......
- sensarmy_11

Not sure why you need to be told again. The Leafs currently have 3 of the top 4 scoring rookies, 5 of the top 12, 6 of the top 20. All feats that have never been managed before. Making the Leafs set of rookies the best in the history of the NHL.

Zaitsev being the third highest scoring rookie dman as well.

Karlsson had more goals scored against with him on the ice at even strength every year, some years by a wide margin, than any other player in the NHL, from 2012/2013 to 2015/2016. These are facts.

He was an absolute tire fire in his own end. Worst in the entire league. Now, he's improved, he's just below average, not worst in the league.

What's the issue?

Not sure why you need to be told again. The Leafs currently have 3 of the top 4 scoring rookies, 5 of the top 12, 6 of the top 20. All feats that have never been managed before. Making the Leafs set of rookies the best in the history of the NHL.

Zaitsev being the third highest scoring rookie dman as well.

Karlsson had more goals scored against with him on the ice at even strength every year, some years by a wide margin, than any other player in the NHL, from 2012/2013 to 2015/2016. These are facts.

He was an absolute tire fire in his own end. Worst in the entire league. Now, he's improved, he's just below average, not worst in the league.

What's the issue?
- prock

Tell me one more time and then I promise I'll believe you when you say it does that bother you that Ottawa is better than you

Tell me one more time and then I promise I'll believe you when you say it does that bother you that Ottawa is better than you
- sensarmy_11

more laughies next time thanks

more laughies next time thanks
- daeth

Better?

it's a solid rattle level indicator

continue

it's a solid rattle level indicator

continue
- daeth

Weak

Tell me one more time and then I promise I'll believe you when you say it does that bother you that Ottawa is better than you
- sensarmy_11

They're facts. Go ahead, look em up.

Karlsson had more goals scored against with him on the ice at even strength every year, some years by a wide margin, than any other player in the NHL, from 2012/2013 to 2015/2016. These are facts.

He was an absolute tire fire in his own end. Worst in the entire league. Now, he's improved, he's just below average, not worst in the league.

?
- prock

Former offensive NHL defenseman Brian Leetch discussed Karlsson’s play and that overall he contributes everything a team could ask of him.

“It’s a game of mistakes. Something’s going to go wrong out there and that goes for every player,” he continued. “But the amount of things [Karlsson] does right and the amount of things he does to impact his team in a positive way is ideal. That is just such an easy thing to say about someone that’s putting up offensive numbers, but when you watch him play on a regular basis, everything he does is what any team wants a defenseman to do.”
http://hockeyanalysis.com...-defender-does-it-matter/

When the greatest NHL defenceman of all-time watches Erik Karlsson, he is reminded of the best of the best ... guys like Larry Robinson, Serge Savard, Guy Lapointe, Denis Potvin, Paul Coffey and Ray Bourque.

Former Boston Bruins great Bobby Orr, No. 4, told the Ottawa Sun in an exclusive interview the sky is the limit for the 21-year-old Karlsson.

“I watch the Senators often,” said Orr, who turns 64 Tuesday and is president of the Orr Hockey Group that represents Jason Spezza. “I see a lot (in Karlsson). (Just) the way this kid skates. There’s nothing like a powerful skater. You can go back over the years: Coffey, (Bourque), Potvin ... these guys could motor. They had great speed.

“This kid has wonderful speed. Great, great hockey sense. He’s not big at all. Two games ago I looked at him and I thought, ‘Holy crap, he looks like a teenager,’ or maybe it’s me getting old. He’s not a huge kid, but he’s very intelligent and very smart on the ice.
http://www.torontosun.com...rr-a-big-karlsson-booster










http://www.tsn.ca/talent/...-join-nhl-greats-1.695906





Let's all remember that Prock clearly stated that if he were the GM (of the leafs) he would NOT take Karlsson for free, if offered in a trade.

They're facts. Go ahead, look em up.
- prock

Spatso posts a lot of trollish irrelevant facts too..........hmmmmmm

If you're going to continue using your alt on the same page at least try to be different in your posts