I hear one of the leafs first round picks is one of the leading scores for the Dallas Stars, and has a higher PPG than Kessel.

Also there is another leaf first rounder that is leading the St Louis Blues in scoring as well, and he's also third overall int he NHL to boot.
- Doppleganger

Great. In a few years that top 5 pick the Sens gave up will definitely be better than... the ghost of Bobby Ryan?

I hear one of the leafs first round picks is one of the leading scores for the Dallas Stars, and has a higher PPG than Kessel.

Also there is another leaf first rounder that is leading the St Louis Blues in scoring as well, and he's also third overall int he NHL to boot.
- Doppleganger

Can you name me the player the Sens drafted TWICE.... in the 1st AND 2nd round .... and never played a single game

Can you name me the player the Sens drafted TWICE.... in the 1st AND 2nd round .... and never played a single game
- the_cause2000

never played a single game, for the Sens, you mean.

never played a single game, for the Sens, you mean.
- prock

yes

Great. In a few years that top 5 pick the Sens gave up will definitely be better than... the ghost of Bobby Ryan?
- prock

I hear a leaf first rounder plays goaltender for the Bruins??

I hear a leaf first rounder plays goaltender for the Bruins??
- Doppleganger

Yep, he's a good one too.

That's what a terrible GM will do to your team.

Tell me how it feels to have that GM tearing apart your team and pulling off some of the worst trades since the days of Milbury.

Yep, he's a good one too.

That's what a terrible GM will do to your team.

Tell me how it feels.
- prock

thatithfying

never played a single game, for the Sens, you mean.
- prock

Mathieu Chouinard

The Leafs have made great trades in recent years. JFJ, a Fletcher wearing diapers will do that to you.

thatithfying
- the_cause2000

I'd say it's a horserace. Who's screwed the Sens more in the last year. Melnyk or Murray?

Yep, he's a good one too.

That's what a terrible GM will do to your team.

Tell me how it feels to have that GM tearing apart your team and pulling off some of the worst trades since the days of Milbury.
- prock

Who are you referring to? Is he someone equivalent to Seguin, Steen or Rask?

Who are you referring to? Is he someone equivalent to Seguin, Steen or Rask?
- Doppleganger

Really? Steen? Are you really gonna start bringing up guys traded away or walked for nothing? Becuase it's a pretty stellar list for the Sens. Didn't Alfredsson score a goal and an assist last night? Isn't chara STILL one of the elite Dmen in the league?

Ottawa's revenues are up this season, and with the new 12 year Rogers TV deal any " financial situation" that you're thinking about is not worth even acknowledging. Mostly wishful thinking on your part perhaps.
- Doppleganger

Doesn't mean the owner will spend a dime more.

Doesn't mean the owner will spend a dime more.
- RogerRoeper

A 12 year TV deal has incredibly little financial effect on the Sens. Especially when additional dollars over and above the current deal don't kick in for a few years.

Particularly when they're getting 15,000 in attendance. It's only getting worse for them.

oh, and their team is junk. Crap. Useless. Basement dweller.

I hear a leaf first rounder plays goaltender for the Bruins??
- Doppleganger

Is your point that the leafs are terrific drafters?

Because if so, it's a good thing we still have our first.

A 12 year TV deal has incredibly little financial effect on the Sens. Especially when additional dollars over and above the current deal don't kick in for a few years.

Particularly when they're getting 15,000 in attendance. It's only getting worse for them.

oh, and their team is junk. Crap. Useless. Basement dweller.
- prock

Sorry, even though attendance is down slightly........overall revenues are up.

Is your point that the leafs are terrific drafters?

Because if so, it's a good thing we still have our first.
- Feeling Glucky?

My point is that in the past few decades, the leafs have traded away more prospects and picks that have gone on to successful NHL careers, than most other teams in the NHL.


There has always been little patience for development, given the pressures of the leafs market place. coming from the fans and the media.

Hopefully this new management team recognizes this and will not fall into what has traditionally been their default position.

Sorry, even though attendance is down slightly........overall revenues are up.
- Doppleganger

Up by 30%? Enough to make a difference in the budget? the budget that they say they're over to begin with?

They've said it's money in/money out this year. If there budget has changed, why won't they do anything to help the horsecrap team?

My point is that in the past few decades, the leafs have traded away more prospects and picks that have gone on to successful NHL careers, than most other teams in the NHL.


There has always been little patience for development, given the pressures of the leafs market place. coming from the fans and the media.

Hopefully this new management team recognizes this and will not fall into what has traditionally been their default position.
- Doppleganger

Oh, the Sens have traded away, or let walk, a few gems too. And they just gave up a top 5 pick, a decent young player, and a prospect (granted, not one that I'm really that big on), for a 2 year rental. A TOP 5 PICK for just two years of any player is absurd.

My point is that in the past few decades, the leafs have traded away more prospects and picks that have gone on to successful NHL careers, than most other teams in the NHL.


There has always been little patience for development, given the pressures of the leafs market place. coming from the fans and the media.

Hopefully this new management team recognizes this and will not fall into what has traditionally been their default position.
- Doppleganger

have you compared the Leafs to at least 15 other teams to make this determination?

have you compared the Leafs to at least 15 other teams to make this determination?
- Feeling Glucky?

Yes.

Yes.
- Doppleganger

Please post your methodology and results for each team.

Please post your methodology and results for each team.
- Feeling Glucky?

Do your own research and then we'll compare notes.

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- Doppleganger

My research indicates that as usual, you're deflecting attention away from your piss-poor arguments.

Do your own research and then we'll compare notes.

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- Doppleganger

You made this statement:

the leafs have traded away more prospects and picks that have gone on to successful NHL careers, than most other teams in the NHL.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof