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senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Apr 17 @ 8:14 AM ET
Duh, Sens were 4-0-0 against Bruins during regular season. My issue is not with Bruins. Rather it is the reliance on fancy stat numbers. For some reason, Sens do better against strong possession teams. I think it is part of the Boucher approach.

In game 1, for example, Sens were very strong dominating the Bruins in all zones and they lost. In yesterday's game they reverted to to their traditional style.

More specifically, on appearance (I have not seen the chart) but it would appear to me that Bergeron, Marchand and Pasternak/Backes dominated possession against Phaneuf and Ceci. The Bergeron line is probably the best possession line in hockey. Yet at the end of the night Phaneuf ended up +3.
- spatso


Dion was CF-16 CA-22 (42%) ..thats not very good
but 3 goals for and 0 against on the night. I see Stone is also, I would suspect thats a big reason why if he was on the ice with Stone a lot.

ceci was 38%

series now shifts to Boston, matchups should favour the Bruins.

some interesting points from Yost.

Travis Yost‏Verified account @travisyost
Series to date: Ottawa's at 61% EV shot share with Erik Karlsson on the ice, 41% with him off of the ice.


Travis Yost‏Verified account @travisyost
Bergeron, who is the king of this, is at 60%. (Boston 47% with him off.)

Travis Yost‏Verified account @travisyost
Bergeron career against Karlsson he's about 53%. Insanely good. But for some context, vs. guys Bergeron's played against regularly, he's ..


Travis Yost‏Verified account @travisyost
Replying to @travisyost
..around 60%. This is part Boston was/is very good at EV and has been for years, part Bergeron is just freaking nasty.


bergerson vs Karlsson might decide the series
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007
Apr 17 @ 8:27 AM ET
Dion was CF-16 CA-22 (42%) ..thats not very good
but 3 goals for and 0 against on the night. I see Stone is also, I would suspect thats a big reason why if he was on the ice with Stone a lot.

ceci was 38%

series now shifts to Boston, matchups should favour the Bruins.

some interesting points from Yost.



bergerson vs Karlsson might decide the series
- senstroll


Personally, I'd go with the better two way player, Bergeron.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015
Apr 17 @ 8:29 AM ET
Dion was CF-16 CA-22 (42%) ..thats not very good
but 3 goals for and 0 against on the night. I see Stone is also, I would suspect thats a big reason why if he was on the ice with Stone a lot.


- senstroll



Oh the fancy boy stats ........ do they post them up on the scoreboard?

Dion also had the OT GWG, plus a couple of assists ................... it that good?
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Apr 17 @ 8:42 AM ET
Oh the fancy boy stats ........ do they post them up on the scoreboard?

Dion also had the OT GWG, plus a couple of assists ................... it that good?
- D0PPELGANGER


Yes. Dion and Ceci were on the ice for the Game 1 winner also.

thats how he operates he will allow more than he helps
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007
Apr 17 @ 8:42 AM ET
Meh. A lot of potential. Got to realise it
- Tumbleweed



To an extent, they already have. Their D was pretty good this year.

Similar to the Leafs, they improve throughout the year. They were better in the second half. A little behind the Leafs, but they still improved. One of the best teams down the stretch.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015
Apr 17 @ 8:44 AM ET
Yes. Dion and Ceci were on the ice for the Game 1 winner also.

thats how he operates he will allow more than he helps
- senstroll



Maybe Dion should have stopped and ragged the puck, in OT, to get his fancy boy stats number up where you think they should be .................. but he just one timed the puck, what a dummy, he must have known his fancy boy stats needed padding ...........right?
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Apr 17 @ 8:49 AM ET
Maybe Dion should have stopped and ragged the puck, in OT, to get his fancy boy stats number up where you think they should be .................. but he just one timed the puck, what a dummy, he must have known his fancy boy stats needed padding ...........right?

- D0PPELGANGER


what the (frank) are you talking about?
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015
Apr 17 @ 8:51 AM ET
what the (frank) are you talking about?
- senstroll



With the super predictive powers of fancy boy stats, you've must have made a lot of money on Pro Line this year?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Apr 17 @ 8:54 AM ET
what the (frank) are you talking about?
- senstroll


Just a base misunderstanding of how corsi works.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Apr 17 @ 8:55 AM ET
With the super predictive powers of fancy boy stats, you've must have made a lot of money on Pro Line this year?
- D0PPELGANGER

I'm actually in the lead of my playoff pool by a decent margin, with team corsi being one of the stats taken into consideration.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Apr 17 @ 9:00 AM ET
With the super predictive powers of fancy boy stats, you've must have made a lot of money on Pro Line this year?
- D0PPELGANGER


so rattled
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Apr 17 @ 9:02 AM ET
Just a base misunderstanding of how corsi works.
- Feeling Glucky?


Boston is the better team.. but his Points % told him the sens were da best
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015
Apr 17 @ 10:10 AM ET
Boston is the better team.. but his Points % told him the sens were da best
- senstroll


Let me know when the NHL changes it's method of ranking teams in the standing, and the playoff seeding, based on super interpretive fancy boy advanced stats............. until then the Results on the scoreboard is what matters.


BTW, it's not "my" P% ...... it's the NHL's.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Apr 17 @ 10:15 AM ET
Let me know when the NHL changes it's method of ranking teams in the standing, and the playoff seeding, based on super interpretive fancy boy advanced stats............. until then the Results on the scoreboard is what matters.


BTW, it's not "my" P% ...... it's the NHL's.
- D0PPELGANGER


Well I guess there is no value in looking at Stats then..the team that has the best p% in the regular season wins the cup every year
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015
Apr 17 @ 10:24 AM ET
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015
Apr 17 @ 10:26 AM ET
Well I guess there is no value in looking at Stats then..the team that has the best p% in the regular season wins the cup every year
- senstroll



No, the team with the best fancy boy advanced analitics stats wins the Cup every year.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Apr 17 @ 11:18 AM ET
By what? The knowledge that ottawa has a better chance of advancing then the leafs do of even winning a game.
- haywoodjablome


Bump

the Leafs won a game
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Apr 17 @ 11:19 AM ET
He just keeps moving the goal posts, such a clown

Other teams Fans this season

October - Haha the Leafs are a lottery team
December - Haha the leafs will miss the playoffs
February - Haha the leafs will finish 9th
April - Haha the leafs will play the Caps and be swept

haha Leafs suck 1967 lolz!!
- senstroll



Updated

October - Haha the Leafs are a lottery team
December - Haha the leafs will miss the playoffs
February - Haha the leafs will finish 9th
April - Haha the leafs will play the Caps and be swept
April x2 - Haha the leafs will still lose to the Caps
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Apr 17 @ 11:22 AM ET

The loser points leader leafs finished with fewer Wins, than the two teams behind them in the Conference............ so failure to win in overtime and shootouts is what propelled the crapple laffs into the playoffs.



- D0PPELGANGER


I dont think this got enough credit for how stupid it is.

I mean its really stupid
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007
Apr 17 @ 11:39 AM ET
Updated

October - Haha the Leafs are a lottery team
December - Haha the leafs will miss the playoffs
February - Haha the leafs will finish 9th
April - Haha the leafs will play the Caps and be swept
April x2 - Haha the leafs will still lose to the Caps
- senstroll



I believe one of the first comments that they'd be dead last, with less points than last year.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007
Apr 17 @ 11:56 AM ET

- Pie
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Apr 17 @ 11:56 AM ET
No, the team with the best fancy boy advanced analitics stats wins the Cup every year.
- D0PPELGANGER

Now bear with me here, because this is going to get complicated.

Maybe it's not one or the other?

Maybe you can use one to help provide insight to the other?
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007
Apr 17 @ 12:55 PM ET
I believe one of the first comments that they'd be dead last, with less points than last year.
- prock


Coming down the stretch I predicted that the Leafs would be a dangerous team to play in the playoffs. I also predicted that they would win games against the Caps and if they split 2-2 after 4 games, it will be the Caps that begin to panic.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Apr 17 @ 12:59 PM ET
Coming down the stretch I predicted that the Leafs would be a dangerous team to play in the playoffs. I also predicted that they would win games against the Caps and if they split 2-2 after 4 games, it will be the Caps that begin to panic.
- spatso


Great
now list off all the predictions you were wrong on.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007
Apr 17 @ 1:00 PM ET
Coming down the stretch I predicted that the Leafs would be a dangerous team to play in the playoffs. I also predicted that they would win games against the Caps and if they split 2-2 after 4 games, it will be the Caps that begin to panic.
- spatso



Great. that only makes the crap that's been spewed all year (and before) even more stupid.

I think it's starting to pain many senaturds fans, to realize they're team is going nowhere, and are a distant second thought, when it comes to NHL teams in Ontario. Knowing that they're the inferior organization, and team, will prove difficult, when watching their team from across the province competing for cups for the next decade.
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