You're welcome to your opinion.

Drew Doughty has two Stanley Cups. Does erik karlson?
- prock

We were talking about the best rookie, last season, including the playoffs ................. we all know you trollonto fans ONLY measure success by the number of Stanley Cups won.

You choose Matthews ...... ZERO Cups, and I suggest that Murray, with TWO Cups was the better rookie.

Obviously you've now realized the catch 22 you're in, and your first instinct is to deflect, and distract ............. a clear signal that you're a hypocrite.

We were talking about the best rookie, last season, including the playoffs ................. we all know you trollonto fans ONLY measure success by the number of Stanley Cups won.

You choose Matthews ...... ZERO Cups, and I suggest that Murray, with TWO Cups was the better rookie.

Obviously you've now realized the catch 22 you're in, and your first instinct is to deflect, and distract ............. a clear signal that you're a hypocrite.
- D0PPELGANGER

Well then, please tell me how on earth Matt Murray managed to win TWO Stanley Cups last season? If he has, he'll be the first player ever to win two stanley Cups in a single NHL season.

And there is no catch 22. The Stanley Cup is the ultimate goal of a team. It does not mean that the 23 players on the active roster of the Stanley Cup winning roster were the 23 best players int he league.

Come on Dopes. Smarten up.

Well then, please tell me how on earth Matt Murray managed to win TWO Stanley Cups last season? If he has, he'll be the first player ever to win two stanley Cups in a single NHL season.

And there is no catch 22. The Stanley Cup is the ultimate goal of a team. It does not mean that the 23 players on the active roster of the Stanley Cup winning roster were the 23 best players int he league.

Come on Dopes. Smarten up.
- prock

When did anyone say he won two Stanley Cups in one season?? ............. deflect deflect deflect.

Murray was the best rookie this past season, including the playoffs, even if you don't want to acknowledge his Stanley Cup from a year ago.

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Stats nerd gets promoted. Pens hire stats nerd 2 years ago and then win 2 cups... hmmm

When did anyone say he won two Stanley Cups in one season?? ............. deflect deflect deflect.

Murray was the best rookie this past season, including the playoffs, even if you don't want to acknowledge his Stanley Cup from a year ago.
- D0PPELGANGER

Again, you're welcome to your opinion. You know damn well playoffs don't factor into the Calder (at least I hope you do), first of all. Second, I still disagree that he had the best season, but you're welcome to your opinion, and I wouldn't even make fun of you for that one.

But yes, you said he won two cups last season.

We were talking about the best rookie, last season, including the playoffs ................. we all know you trollonto fans ONLY measure success by the number of Stanley Cups won.

You choose Matthews ...... ZERO Cups, and I suggest that Murray, with TWO Cups was the better rookie.

- D0PPELGANGER

You certainly deserve mocking for that one.

dorion will fit right in with past great winners like don maloney and mike gillis


if anything, boucher deserves coach of the year for squeezing out as many wins as did from the junk roster dorion gave him.
- Tumbleweed

He actually does deserve coach of the year. There shouldn't even be another candidate.

When did anyone say he won two Stanley Cups in one season?? ............. deflect deflect deflect.

Murray was the best rookie this past season, including the playoffs, even if you don't want to acknowledge his Stanley Cup from a year ago.
- D0PPELGANGER

Stop being stupid about this please.

Stanley cups has never been a criteria for individual awards voted on after the regular season.

If that little detail isn't embarrassing enough for you, ask yourself how Karlsson won the Norris... Wasn't there a Dman who won a Stanley Cup that year? How come they don't deserve the Norris.

Jesus dude, the last couple days you have gone off the (frank)ing rails. You aren't even trying to come up with reasonable arguments anymore. Are you that defeated? Have you so utterly and completely given up on your team?

It's like Systemtool stole all your lunch money, and your car money, and your kids tuition and then this year's playoffs took what little was left of your dignity.

I mean, I know you are rattled. I imagine it must really hurt that all Ottawa won was the 28th overall pick and now they have to desperately try to unload horrible contracts so they have any hope at all of signing Karlsson in 2 years,

but you gotta keep it together man.

Stop being stupid about this please.

Stanley cups has never been a criteria for individual awards voted on after the regular season.

If that little detail isn't embarrassing enough for you, ask yourself how Karlsson won the Norris... Wasn't there a Dman who won a Stanley Cup that year? How come they don't deserve the Norris.

Jesus dude, the last couple days you have gone off the (frank)ing rails. You aren't even trying to come up with reasonable arguments anymore. Are you that defeated? Have you so utterly and completely given up on your team?

It's like Systemtool stole all your lunch money, and your car money, and your kids tuition and then this year's playoffs took what little was left of your dignity.

I mean, I know you are rattled. I imagine it must really hurt that all Ottawa won was the 28th overall pick and now they have to desperately try to unload horrible contracts so they have any hope at all of signing Karlsson in 2 years,

but you gotta keep it together man.
- Aetherial

regular season and playoffs combined, karlson has never been the best defenseman in the league. Not even close, in fact. Never even been top 5.

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Stats nerd gets promoted. Pens hire stats nerd 2 years ago and then win 2 cups... hmmm
- senstroll

hmmmm. no wonder pitts had a team of +90% players with positive GAR.

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He actually does deserve coach of the year. There shouldn't even be another candidate.
- Aetherial

Except he's the GM, not the coach

Except he's the GM, not the coach
- D0PPELGANGER

come on. this has to be a troll job. I literally have too much faith in humanity to believe there is anyone out there stupid enough to post what dopes just posted.

Except he's the GM, not the coach
- D0PPELGANGER

uh

The Sixers

When did anyone say he won two Stanley Cups in one season?? ............. deflect deflect deflect.

Murray was the best rookie this past season, including the playoffs, even if you don't want to acknowledge his Stanley Cup from a year ago.
- D0PPELGANGER

Murray missed most of the playoffs. you fool. but yes his cup from a year ago makes him the best rookie this season. even though he's not nominated for the Calder. fúck you're an idiot. I suppose you think Brassard should win it.

uh

- Aetherial

I know, right?

Murray missed most of the playoffs. you fool. but yes his cup from a year ago makes him the best rookie this season. even though he's not nominated for the Calder. fúck you're an idiot. I suppose you think Brassard should win it.
- systemtool

are you serious? Murray played in the ECFs and the SCFs, and has a Cup from this season, for a total of two Cups.

IF you bothered to read my original question " who was the best rookie this past season , including the playoffs" ................ you should have understood I was not talking about Calder Cup nominees, because even a fool like you would know the Calder Cup only covers the regular season ... and NOT the playoffs .............. and even an idiot would know that He won't win the Calder, because he's not one of the finalists, that were announced weeks ago.


You've got to stop jumping into conversations half way through, and think you know what the (frank) you're talking about.......... because when you do, you only confirm to us your complete stupidity on the issue at hand.

You've got to stop jumping into conversations half way through, and think you know what the (frank) you're talking about.......... because when you do, you only confirm to us your complete stupidity on the issue at hand.
- D0PPELGANGER

I would suggest to you that Matt Murray was by far the best rookie last season.

Does Matthews have two Stanley Cups?
- DOPPELGANGER

Ether admit you were wrong and stupid, or you admit Karlsson = 0 cups and therefore did not deserve the Norris.

Do you see the Catch-22 YOUR words put you in?

and I think someone who doesn't know who the coach or GM of the team they cheer for is, probably shouldn't be referring to others' stupidity.

Ether admit you were wrong and stupid, or you admit Karlsson = 0 cups and therefore did not deserve the Norris.

Do you see the Catch-22 YOUR words put you in?

and I think someone who doesn't know who the coach or GM of the team they cheer for is, probably shouldn't be referring to others' stupidity.
- Aetherial

I am an early riser. I am usually up at 4:00 am to say my prayers..

After that I check out any urgent emails/messages from work and finally, I allow myself and hour for my hockey passion including reading all the papers, blogs etc.

So, you can only imagine my wonderment in reading your postings from last night. My first thought is that some of you are beginning to experience a hockey version of Stockholm syndrome as a result of a very long season. Or, some of you genuinely misunderstood what others were saying.

In the end, I concluded the obvious. Perhaps one or more or all of you were drinking and the postings from last night is some form of slurred keyboard speech.

Ether admit you were wrong and stupid, or you admit Karlsson = 0 cups and therefore did not deserve the Norris.

Do you see the Catch-22 YOUR words put you in?

and I think someone who doesn't know who the coach or GM of the team they cheer for is, probably shouldn't be referring to others' stupidity.
- Aetherial

Yeah, I agree with you, but systemfool is a leafs fan, and his small brain thought that we were referring to the coach of the year award, and in his head thought that Dorion was the Sens coach .................. I pointed out his glaring mistake, and to make it even more obvious, he's gone back and erased his steps, by deleting most of his posts over the past two pages.





It's amazing how some of you trollonto fans go off the deep end, when I simply asked "who do you think was the best rookie last season including the playoffs".

We all know the Calder does not account for the playoffs.

Of course prock was going to defend to the death that Matthews was ............. but I pointed out that Matt Murray saved his team in the third round, as they were going down in flames, and he yanked victory from the certain jaws of defeat............. and now is a two time Stanley Cup Champ, and was still a rookie.


As far as Karlsson is concerned, he's deserved both of his Norris Trophies, and what will be a total farce, he will be denied his third this year, a year in which he clearly had his best all around season ................... a whining point that all you trollonto fans have complained about for years.


have a good day ....... off to the golf course.

are you serious? Murray played in the ECFs and the SCFs, and has a Cup from this season, for a total of two Cups.

IF you bothered to read my original question " who was the best rookie this past season , including the playoffs" ................ you should have understood I was not talking about Calder Cup nominees, because even a fool like you would know the Calder Cup only covers the regular season ... and NOT the playoffs .............. and even an idiot would know that He won't win the Calder, because he's not one of the finalists, that were announced weeks ago.


You've got to stop jumping into conversations half way through, and think you know what the (frank) you're talking about.......... because when you do, you only confirm to us your complete stupidity on the issue at hand.
- D0PPELGANGER

God you're an idiot. the Calder cup has nothing to do with the regular season.

it's the trophy awarded for winning the AHL playoffs.

are you serious? Murray played in the ECFs and the SCFs, and has a Cup from this season, for a total of two Cups.

IF you bothered to read my original question " who was the best rookie this past season , including the playoffs" ................ you should have understood I was not talking about Calder Cup nominees, because even a fool like you would know the Calder Cup only covers the regular season ... and NOT the playoffs .............. and even an idiot would know that He won't win the Calder, because he's not one of the finalists, that were announced weeks ago.


You've got to stop jumping into conversations half way through, and think you know what the (frank) you're talking about.......... because when you do, you only confirm to us your complete stupidity on the issue at hand.
- D0PPELGANGER

He wasn't nominated, so he clearly wasn't the top rookie.

The irony of this post is so heavy. Calling others a fool and saying they don't understand. You're the idiot that's talking about 2 cups making him best rookie THIS YEAR and then Turing around and saying playoff don't factor into Calder voting.

Yeah, I agree with you, but systemfool is a leafs fan, and his small brain thought that we were referring to the coach of the year award, and in his head thought that Dorion was the Sens coach .................. I pointed out his glaring mistake, and to make it even more obvious, he's gone back and erased his steps, by deleting most of his posts over the past two pages.





It's amazing how some of you trollonto fans go off the deep end, when I simply asked "who do you think was the best rookie last season including the playoffs".

We all know the Calder does not account for the playoffs.

Of course prock was going to defend to the death that Matthews was ............. but I pointed out that Matt Murray saved his team in the third round, as they were going down in flames, and he yanked victory from the certain jaws of defeat............. and now is a two time Stanley Cup Champ, and was still a rookie.


As far as Karlsson is concerned, he's deserved both of his Norris Trophies, and what will be a total farce, he will be denied his third this year, a year in which he clearly had his best all around season ................... a whining point that all you trollonto fans have complained about for years.


have a good day ....... off to the golf course.
- D0PPELGANGER

Do we all? Is that why you brought it up?

I am an early riser. I am usually up at 4:00 am to say my prayers..

After that I check out any urgent emails/messages from work and finally, I allow myself and hour for my hockey passion including reading all the papers, blogs etc.

So, you can only imagine my wonderment in reading your postings from last night. My first thought is that some of you are beginning to experience a hockey version of Stockholm syndrome as a result of a very long season. Or, some of you genuinely misunderstood what others were saying.

In the end, I concluded the obvious. Perhaps one or more or all of you were drinking and the postings from last night is some form of slurred keyboard speech.
- spatso

No sign of you in the New Jersey blogs debating Nico vs Nolan.

Strange.

are you serious? Murray played in the ECFs and the SCFs, and has a Cup from this season, for a total of two Cups.

IF you bothered to read my original question " who was the best rookie this past season , including the playoffs" ................ you should have understood I was not talking about Calder Cup nominees, because even a fool like you would know the Calder Cup only covers the regular season ... and NOT the playoffs .............. and even an idiot would know that He won't win the Calder, because he's not one of the finalists, that were announced weeks ago.


You've got to stop jumping into conversations half way through, and think you know what the (frank) you're talking about.......... because when you do, you only confirm to us your complete stupidity on the issue at hand.
- D0PPELGANGER

holy fúck you're an idiot. you missed your own point.

Ether admit you were wrong and stupid, or you admit Karlsson = 0 cups and therefore did not deserve the Norris.

Do you see the Catch-22 YOUR words put you in?

and I think someone who doesn't know who the coach or GM of the team they cheer for is, probably shouldn't be referring to others' stupidity.
- Aetherial

he's a (frank)ing idiot. a shaken and rattled idiot.