Scoreboard says 0 cups for the Sens and 0 playoff victories over the Leafs, oh and a coveted 28th pick.
- Aetherial

best pick of the draft

I don't believe that for a second.
- spatso

The same guys that you're dismissing about phanuef rumors are same ones who you linked about shatenkirk

pooptykirk is just an expensive pp specialist

pass

Very cold and wet at cottage.

Not nice for fishing.

Hard getting summer up to speed.
- spatso

I don't believe that for a second.
- spatso

Well, you bring up very interesting point.





That you are an idiot.

The one where the lights went out.....
- burn

The light bulb has been out in spatso’s head for a while.

The same guys that you're dismissing about phanuef rumors are same ones who you linked about shatenkirk
- burn

Yes, this is true. They seem to come out of a narrow band of sources. Some turn out to be true. Some never see the light of day.

Not as good as Phaneuf and longer remaining term.
- spatso

lol

oh and ignore age thats fine

Yes, this is true. They seem to come out of a narrow band of sources. Some turn out to be true. Some never see the light of day.
- spatso

So you just decide what is and isn't true? How on earth do you say something someone say isn't true, but something the same guys says is unequivocally the truth?

lol

oh and ignore age thats fine
- senstroll

Phaneuf is same age as Methot. Sens have great help coming.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/vid...to-sens-defence%7E1156624

pooptykirk is just an expensive pp specialist

pass
- daeth

Take this for what its worth, but he is not just that..not even close.

https://editorinleaf.com/...eafs-kevin-shattenkirk-2/

Kevin Shattenkirk just had his seventh straight 40+ point season (if you prorate the lockout) and finished with 56 points. He had 23 5v5 points, good for 23rd in the NHL (same amount as Jake Gardiner)

Shattenkirk vs Prototype #1

As you can see, he compares well. What is most impressive about Shattenkirk, is that he plays excellent defense. Elite even. Though he’s known as a high-risk offensive defenseman, the stats just don’t back that up. He is ranked an 8 out of 10 in shot-suppression.

Shattenkirk finished this past season with a 53% CF rating, good for 23rd in the NHL among D who played 1000 minutes. That is an elite rating. He scored 53 points and when he was on the ice, his team too 53% of the shots. If you cause your team to get more shots than the other team, you can’t be bad at defense, and Shattenkirk is certainly not.

In the last five years, Shattenkirk has a corsi-for % of 54% which means that when he is on the ice, his team gets 54% of all shot-attempts. This is elite. There are 210 defenseman – roughly – in the NHL and last year, 12 of them had CF% over 54.

The defensive impact of Shattenkirk is off the charts. Not only does he provide elite offensive production, he provides elite defensive production. He is one of the best players in the NHL. At worst, he’s a top 20 NHL defenseman.

Take this for what its worth, but he is not just that..not even close.

https://editorinleaf.com/...eafs-kevin-shattenkirk-2/
- senstroll

I don't see why people assume that if you're on the ice for more shots for your team than against, you're automatically good defensively.

That could very easily mean you're giving up a lot of shots, just taking more.

You could give up the most shots/60 on your team, but because you take a lot more, that means you're good defensively?

No, not really.

All that means is that you play a style that allows for a lot of shots in both directions, and you play it well. I still consider that bad defensively. It's just better offensively than you are bad defensively.

Take this for what its worth, but he is not just that..not even close.

https://editorinleaf.com/...eafs-kevin-shattenkirk-2/
- senstroll

advanced stats have no answer for player usage. until they do they are just "neat" and should not be used to come to any concrete conclusions on their own. that they can come to the conclusion that he's a top 20 player when he's 4th in ES TOI among D on one team should illustrate the issue.

as a sheltered player pooptykirk is pretty great. he was at times a 3rd pairing guy in st louis. that has impacted his stats greatly. get him on the leafs on the 3rd pair for 3rd pair money and i'm happy. give him 1st pairing money and play him as a #1 dman and there will be issues.

I don't see why people assume that if you're on the ice for more shots for your team than against, you're automatically good defensively.

That could very easily mean you're giving up a lot of shots, just taking more.

You could give up the most shots/60 on your team, but because you take a lot more, that means you're good defensively?

No, not really.

All that means is that you play a style that allows for a lot of shots in both directions, and you play it well. I still consider that bad defensively. It's just better offensively than you are bad defensively.
- prock

people dont assume that.
So ya

I don't see why people assume that if you're on the ice for more shots for your team than against, you're automatically good defensively.

That could very easily mean you're giving up a lot of shots, just taking more.

You could give up the most shots/60 on your team, but because you take a lot more, that means you're good defensively?

No, not really.

All that means is that you play a style that allows for a lot of shots in both directions, and you play it well. I still consider that bad defensively. It's just better offensively than you are bad defensively.
- prock

I agree.

I think that you have to be careful with Shattenkirk. Both St. Louis and Washington were strong teams. Sometimes numbers are more about the team than an individual player. I have never seen Shattenkirk in the same light as some of his promoters. It just seems to me that St. Louis let him go without an excessive amount of anguish. I wondered if he was 4th ranked out of their top 4?

advanced stats have no answer for player usage. until they do they are just "neat" and should not be used to come to any concrete conclusions on their own. that they can come to the conclusion that he's a top 20 player when he's 4th in ES TOI among D on one team should illustrate the issue.

as a sheltered player pooptykirk is pretty great. he was at times a 3rd pairing guy in st louis. that has impacted his stats greatly. get him on the leafs on the 3rd pair for 3rd pair money and i'm happy. give him 1st pairing money and play him as a #1 dman and there will be issues.
- daeth

Year Salary
1 8
2 8
3 8
4 7
5 6
6 5
7 4

i would do a contract like this. bad contracts aren't a big problem anymore.

ottawa is the trash bin of the league for those. won't be a problem dumping shattenkirk there if we structure the contract right.

advanced stats have no answer for player usage. until they do they are just "neat" and should not be used to come to any concrete conclusions on their own. that they can come to the conclusion that he's a top 20 player when he's 4th in ES TOI among D on one team should illustrate the issue.

as a sheltered player pooptykirk is pretty great. he was at times a 3rd pairing guy in st louis. that has impacted his stats greatly. get him on the leafs on the 3rd pair for 3rd pair money and i'm happy. give him 1st pairing money and play him as a #1 dman and there will be issues.
- daeth

I agree

advanced stats have no answer for player usage. until they do they are just "neat" and should not be used to come to any concrete conclusions on their own. that they can come to the conclusion that he's a top 20 player when he's 4th in ES TOI among D on one team should illustrate the issue.

as a sheltered player pooptykirk is pretty great. he was at times a 3rd pairing guy in st louis. that has impacted his stats greatly. get him on the leafs on the 3rd pair for 3rd pair money and i'm happy. give him 1st pairing money and play him as a #1 dman and there will be issues.
- daeth

Conclusions like this?

pooptykirk is just an expensive pp specialist

umm Sure...carry on

Guys.

You're on the same side as spasto and mcguire.


If that doesn't raise a red flag, I don't know what will.

Year Salary
1 8
2 8
3 8
4 7
5 6
6 5
7 4

i would do a contract like this. bad contracts aren't a big problem anymore.

ottawa is the trash bin of the league for those. won't be a problem dumping shattenkirk there if we structure the contract right.
- Tumbleweed

That sort of looks like the Leafs that we have all come to love.

That sort of looks like the Leafs that we have all come to love.
- spatso

The Leafs that dump junk contracts on the Sens?

Agreed.

The Leafs that dump junk contracts on the Sens?

Agreed.
- Feeling Glucky?

I third this.

I love it when the leafs dump crap on the Sens

Conclusions like this?



umm Sure...carry on
- senstroll

Literally all his stats prove is that in his role (2nd pairing, often 3rd pairing, 4th in ES) he excelled. From that someone has come to the conclusion that he's a top 20 dman. Honestly it's laughable. This is where advanced stats go wrong. You need context.

The Leafs that dump junk contracts on the Sens?

Agreed.
- Feeling Glucky?

Does not matter how you slice it. Sens went to ECF. Other than for Karlsson and Anderson, no player contributed more to the Sens success this year than Dion Phaneuf.

We all know this is upsetting to many Leaf fans...but your just going to have to learn to accept it.

Does not matter how you slice it. Sens went to ECF. Other than for Karlsson and Anderson, no player contributed more to the Sens success this year than Dion Phaneuf.

We all know this is upsetting to many Leaf fans...but your just going to have to learn to accept it.
- spatso

nothing burger. keep serving them up.