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Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Mar 24 @ 3:23 PM ET
agreed
- daeth

definitely
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007
Mar 24 @ 3:27 PM ET
That is your take.

But I don't see it that way. If your "take" ever became a perception, then fans in Ottawa would voice their concerns, and even take the step of stopping to buy tickets.

This would never happen in toronto, as the fans would continue to fill the building, paying the highest ticket prices in the NHL, no matter how bad the product on the ice was.

What was it that Ballard used to say.........................."as long as there are bums in the seats, it doesn't matter if I have bums on the ice"
- Doppleganger


First of all, Ottawa has been experiencing a decline in attendance in recent years right? Second, I'm not sure if you've noticed but you DO have bums on the ice.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Mar 24 @ 3:32 PM ET
What are they in a better situation to do?
- Cape Breton Bruins



Fire Carlyle
Trade everyone
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Mar 24 @ 3:34 PM ET
They won 4 more cups than the Senators ever have with him as the chairman of the Leafs... so I'm assuming that yes, they did make it to the Cup Finals a few times.
- Feeling Glucky?


Nice try, But Ballard did not become the "Majority Owner" of the leafs, until 1972.

When comparing Owners to Owners, being Chairman does not factor in.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Mar 24 @ 3:41 PM ET
Nice try, But Ballard did not become the "Majority Owner" of the leafs, until 1972.

When comparing Owners to Owners, being Chairman does not factor in.
- Doppleganger

When reality fails you... argue semantics!
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: long friend time friend, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008
Mar 24 @ 3:41 PM ET
yes
- the_cause2000

there is absolutely no denying this
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Mar 24 @ 3:43 PM ET
there is absolutely no denying this
- Cape Breton Bruins

I deny it
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: long friend time friend, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008
Mar 24 @ 3:45 PM ET
I deny it
- Feeling Glucky?

omb
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Mar 24 @ 3:47 PM ET
omb
- Cape Breton Bruins

yea.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Mar 24 @ 4:09 PM ET
When reality fails you... argue semantics!
- Feeling Glucky?



The reality is When Ballard was the Owner, the leafs never made it to the Finals.

Sorry.

May 2nd 2014 will mark the 47th anniversary of the last time the leafs played in the Stanley Cup Finals.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Mar 24 @ 4:23 PM ET
The reality is When Ballard was the Owner, the leafs never made it to the Finals.

Sorry.

May 2nd 2014 will mark the 47th anniversary of the last time the leafs played in the Stanley Cup Finals.
- Doppleganger

47 Years since the last cup is sad.

Not as bad as "never" or 80-odd years ago, whichever you find more comforting as a Sens fan, but agreed, it is sad.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007
Mar 24 @ 4:28 PM ET
The reality is When Ballard was the Owner, the leafs never made it to the Finals.

Sorry.

May 2nd 2014 will mark the 47th anniversary of the last time the leafs played in the Stanley Cup Finals.
- Doppleganger


Last time they won the cup.

Oh yeah, something the sens have never done.

And won't with a crazy miserly owner.
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: long friend time friend, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008
Mar 24 @ 4:38 PM ET
Last time they won the cup.

Oh yeah, something the sens have never done.

And won't with a crazy miserly owner.
- prock

Winning the Stanley Cup with more than six teams in the league is hard.
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007
Mar 24 @ 4:40 PM ET
Last time they won the cup.

Oh yeah, something the sens have never done.

And won't with a crazy miserly owner.
- prock

i had to look up miserly.
Mr_Squeaks
Ottawa Senators
Location: Location: Location: Glitch in
Joined: 06.26.2006
Mar 24 @ 6:11 PM ET
i had to look up miserly.
- the_cause2000


I had to look up Stanley Cup.
Pie
Montreal Canadiens
Location: taking the low road
Joined: 10.14.2006
Mar 24 @ 7:12 PM ET
I had to look up Stanley Cup.
- Mr_Squeaks

you knew how to spell it though
#Starley
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Mar 25 @ 8:56 AM ET
47 Years since the last cup is sad.

Not as bad as "never" or 80-odd years ago, whichever you find more comforting as a Sens fan, but agreed, it is sad.
- Feeling Glucky?



I said 47 years since they last played in the Stanley Cup Finals. The Senators played in the Finals seven years ago.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Mar 25 @ 9:06 AM ET
Winning the Stanley Cup with more than six teams in the league is hard.
- Cape Breton Bruins

For teams not named the Leafs of Canadiens, yea, it was.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Mar 25 @ 9:07 AM ET
I said 47 years since they last played in the Stanley Cup Finals. The Senators played in the Finals seven years ago.
- Doppleganger

woo! best losers!
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Mar 25 @ 9:14 AM ET
woo! best losers!
- Feeling Glucky?





toronto maple leafs Playoff Chances
Did not play last night but their playoff odds dropped down down 0.2% to 34.2%


Don't worry though, as they would only need to play at a .722P% for the rest of the season to get to the 93 point mark, and that might just be enough to get into the playoffs.


Too bad they do not have any games in hand, over the teams they need to stay ahead of.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Mar 25 @ 9:20 AM ET
toronto maple leafs Playoff Chances
Did not play last night but their playoff odds dropped down down 0.2% to 34.2%


Don't worry though, as they would only need to play at a .722P% for the rest of the season to get to the 93 point mark, and that might just be enough to get into the playoffs.


Too bad they do not have any games in hand, over the teams they need to stay ahead of.
- Doppleganger

really sucks we traded away our 1st for a heartless 2nd liner...

oh wait, nope, we've still got or 1st.

Could you imagine, a team trading a top-10 pick for a nobody?

Geez, that'd be embarrassing.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Mar 25 @ 9:32 AM ET
really sucks we traded away our 1st for a heartless 2nd liner...

oh wait, nope, we've still got or 1st.

Could you imagine, a team trading a top-10 pick for a nobody?

Geez, that'd be embarrassing.
- Feeling Glucky?




Ottawa's first pick, in this years draft was traded to acquire a player who has scored 170 goals in the NHL.

He has played in 448 games, which equates to almost 5.5 seasons.

That's over 30 goals for every 82 games played.

So Ottawa has a player, that is now a far more valuable of an asset than whoever they would have selected in this years Draft, that has been characterized as less than average after the first three of possibly four players expected to be taken.

That asset (Bobby Ryan) can either be signed, or traded for a player(s) and or prospects that again will be far more valuable of an asset(s) than whoever they would have selected in this years Draft.



If you're talking about embarrassing, how about David Clarkson and his four goals for $5.25 MILLION for this and the next 6 years.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007
Mar 25 @ 9:34 AM ET
I said 47 years since they last played in the Stanley Cup Finals. The Senators played in the Finals seven years ago.
- Doppleganger


Banner?
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Mar 25 @ 9:39 AM ET
Banner?
- prock





Do you have a picture of the leafs Conference Championship banner? I can't find one.





While you're at it, how about a leafs Presidents Trophy Banner???
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Mar 25 @ 10:09 AM ET
Ottawa's first pick, in this years draft was traded to acquire a player who has scored 170 goals in the NHL.

He has played in 448 games, which equates to almost 5.5 seasons.

That's over 30 goals for every 82 games played.

So Ottawa has a player, that is now a far more valuable of an asset than whoever they would have selected in this years Draft, that has been characterized as less than average after the first three of possibly four players expected to be taken.

That asset (Bobby Ryan) can either be signed, or traded for a player(s) and or prospects that again will be far more valuable of an asset(s) than whoever they would have selected in this years Draft.



If you're talking about embarrassing, how about David Clarkson and his four goals for $5.25 MILLION for this and the next 6 years.

- Doppleganger

at least we didn't trade away our 1st for him!

Says a lot about Ryan that that's who you compare him to.
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