This is why the rest of the league laughs at and ridicules Leaf fans. At least, look at the numbers and game situations. To suggest Liljegren or Dermott played as well as Chabot and Jaros is feeble.

This is why I keep telling you the scoreboard matters. Look at the numbers. The Leaf D was a huge fail on the evening. To say anything else is denial.

Reilly and Hainsey are not a top pairing.

It is fine to say Leaf defense needs some work. Everybody knows it is preseason. But the notion the Lilgegren played as well as Chabot is just plain goofy. Chabot was +3 on the night.
- spatso

oh boy.

once again the sens continue to give up more goals than they score. but it's preseason and you care about results so this must be upsetting.

once again the leafs continue to show progress and keep scoring more than they give up. its preseason. it should mean nothing. but you care about results.

spatso. its exciting. even though it isnt.

Tone down, your starting with the old style Leaf whining that we have had to endure for the last 10years.
- spatso

12 years. not a day more.

Leafs having been so used to losing for so long. They just roll over and pretend they don't care. I suppose it makes losing easier.
- spatso

okay...sooo about caring...shall we discuss the stats? see how much you care and the importance you put into it?

It is tue. 50 years must seem like forever
- spatso

yea it almost feels like 90 years.

Would not it just be easier to sit down and have a good cry and admit your frustration with the situation. No goalie, minor league D...your in trouble before you get started.
- spatso

yup. preseason proved this. sens have zero questions.

You better slow down that bus.
- spatso

you better get the (frank) out of the way.





i lied. dont move.

thats it for my surprise spatso special guys.

it was short. i know.

but after the first two preseason games spatso forgot how important the preseason is. he then just dumped that failed attempt, went in hiding, then popped up randomly to troll lupul.

preseason lives matter. *kneels

thats it for my surprise spatso special guys.

it was short. i know.

but after the first two preseason games spatso forgot how important the preseason is. he then just dumped that failed attempt, went in hiding, then popped up randomly to troll lupul.

preseason lives matter. *kneels
- systemtool

I mean, I could go for a few more.

Wow, Chabot was a -5!

I’m sure this has no impact on how much preseason matters.

Wow, Chabot was a -5!

I’m sure this has no impact on how much preseason matters.
- Feeling Glucky?

9-2 final.

If I've learned anything from this thread, it's that scoreboard matters!

Wow, Chabot was a -5!

I’m sure this has no impact on how much preseason matters.
- Feeling Glucky?

9-2

That was pretty much full team against full team.

Scoreboard matters.

9-2 final.

If I've learned anything from this thread, it's that scoreboard matters!
- GreatGigInTheSky

Sens have had more success than the Leafs the last 12 years.

Therefore they are in a better position now.

Sens have had more success than the Leafs the last 12 years.

Therefore they are in a better position now.


- Aetherial

Only 12 years. No more than that. Then we get into sens vs leafs playoffs and we don't want that.

9-2

That was pretty much full team against full team.

Scoreboard matters.
- Aetherial

Sens love to give up more goals than they can score.. This makes them better than teams who do the opposite. Scoreboard matters.

Did any of you guys do a count on the number of Goals the Sens scored on the Leafs in two games. For people who don't think the exhibition games don't mean anything your doing lots of talking about the outcomes.

Oops, sorry, talking about all the games except for the games where Sens wishbones the Leafs. Actually, ever since those games you seem fine to talk about other games. So funny, your all terrified of being ripped once the new season starts.
- spatso

This is important. Seems like some want to stop having these discussions.

Despite making these discussions a point of relevance.

#terrified

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Derick Brassard is a full participant in practice. Wearing a contact jerse
- D0PPELGANGER

Sorry to hear...

9-2 final.

If I've learned anything from this thread, it's that scoreboard matters!
- GreatGigInTheSky

I think the scoreboard was an eccurate reflection of the game.

Keep in mind Anderson actually played well and made some really strong saves.

Forwards and D were completely out of synch all night.

A good time and bad place to get a game out of your system.

Wow, Chabot was a -5!

I’m sure this has no impact on how much preseason matters.
- Feeling Glucky?

Bizarre. Chabot plays 23 minutes in all situations and ends up +3 on the night. Lilgegren gets limited play, ends up -1 and has no particularly memorable plays other than a figure skating routine around the perimeter.
- spatso

6 goals against and .8 sv%


“Played well”


That post is a very eccurate representation of spazzy.

How out of sync was Chabot?

Not going to bother explaining again. You will just come up with another hand picked time frame, or some "who cares" measuring stick, or you will simply fall back on the Ottawa fan old reliable... when you don't have a point, make something up.

The past is NOT the subject of the thread, sorry. If it was, the results would be very lopsided.

No matter how much you obfuscate, 0-4 vs Leafs in the playoffs and NO CUPS EVER.

You have Karlsson. We have EVERYTHING else.
- Aetherial

Like I said ............ when leaf fans won't count what matters, they make what they can count matter ............. but it matters only to them.

Like I said ............ when leaf fans won't count what matters, they make what they can count matter ............. but it matters only to them.
- D0PPELGANGER

So...12 years.

No more than that. Cause leaf fans are the ones not counting their 2nd most cup totals and their 4-0 record vs the sens in the playoffs. But it only matters to you. That's why we only go back 12 years. Not a day more.

Good point, dumbass

Next up: Unrestricted free agent centre Kyle Turris.

While Senators’ general manager Pierre Dorion was tight-lipped when asked about the status of the talks with Turris’ agent Kurt Overhardt following the signing of goalie Craig Anderson to a two-year, $9.5-million extension Friday, the talk in league circles is the discussions with the club’s top pivot are progressing but only slowly.

The talk is the club’s alternate captain, who is in the final year of a contract that will pay him $4 million this season, is looking for a deal in the seven or eight-year range. The speculation is Overhardt, a tough negotiator, wants the deal to be in the $6 million per-season but both sides are trying to keep a lid on the talks.

So...12 years.

No more than that. Cause leaf fans are the ones not counting their 2nd most cup totals and their 4-0 record vs the sens in the playoffs. But it only matters to you. That's why we only go back 12 years. Not a day more.

Good point, dumbass
- systemtool

What is your preferred time range, in which to use as a comparison for the two teams??

Last season only? The past 3 seasons?

Or do you just base your comparisons on your perception of the future?


I know I've asked this question of you a couple of time now, and you never answer .......... We all know it is because using anything in the recent past will not show the leafs as a better team .................. so you refuse to count what matters .......... you make your predictions of the future matter, and count that as proof the leafs are better.


Do you have link you can post, that proves the future of the leafs makes them the better team today, yesterday, last season or whatever time frame works for you?

What is your preferred time range, in which to use as a comparison for the two teams??

Last season only? The past 3 seasons?

Or do you just base your comparisons on your perception of the future?


I know I've asked this question of you a couple of time now, and you never answer .......... We all know it is because using anything in the recent past will not show the leafs as a better team .................. so you refuse to count what matters .......... you make your predictions of the future matter, and count that as proof the leafs are better.


Do you have link you can post, that proves the future of the leafs makes them the better team today, yesterday, last season or whatever time frame works for you?
- D0PPELGANGER

What a mess. Count everything in the past or don't count it at all.

I've never failed to answer this. Post evidence and the pages where this question was asked and I never responded to.

Lying like spatso now. The Trump brothers.

If you're going to count 10 years ago..sorry 12!.. why stop there and not go back 15 years. Or 100 years? Why are we only going back 12 years?

I compare the teams rosters and the players. Toronto comes out on top for me. Also the fact Toronto can score more than they allow. Sens can't. And that to me is the essence of sport.

At the end of the day the topic is which team is in a better situation. Not what these teams did in the past. But they're situation going forward. If you want to bring up the past, and there is no need to in this topic, then you don't stop at 12 years because it's what's convenient to you. All the while knowing that by going back only 12 years you conveniently omit that the Leafs have beat the sens in the playoffs every single time...which should have some relevance in a sens vs leafs thread. But this is about current situation....so don't play the years ago game. Or at least dont cry when you lose it.