http://www.thesportster.com/hockey/early-nhl-power-rankings-for-the-2017-18-season/

most in the media and hockey world have the sens ahead of the leafs. should be interesting to see how leaf fans handle this and what excuses they have in the regular season.
- systemtool

For me the Sens are the class of the division and i fully expect them to run away with it. It'll be an awfully disappointing season should they not.

You guys remember how the Leafs botched the Kessel trade because they settled on Kasperi Kapanen didn't get the sure fire top pairing defenceman Derrick Pouliot? Good times.

Pouliot netted an AHLer and a 4th. Real blue chipper.

For me the Sens are the class of the division and i fully expect them to run away with it. It'll be an awfully disappointing season should they not.
- walshyleafsfan

i agree. they're easily way better than last year.

i agree. they're easily way better than last year.
- systemtool

When you can add a top young talent like Oduya, and the two best hockey players not in the NHL, without giving anything up, there’s really no way you could regress.

I notice the expectation for Karlsson is at 50% on the Norris.

I believe the expectation of a Leaf 1st place finish has been negotiated up as people talked themselves into something they hope to see. I believe there is a greater chance the Leafs miss the playoffs rather than a 1st place finish.
- spatso

when you take everything into consideration in regards to the predictions and these lists we have looked at over the last few weeks, the Leafs are seen as a team on the cusp, very close to being a contending team. The Sens despite going to the conference finals are seen as a fluke or a bubble team not likely to repeat.

I hope they both make the playoffs so I can see another playoff Series between them, its been too long since the Leafs beat the Sens in the playoffs

when you take everything into consideration in regards to the predictions and these lists we have looked at over the last few weeks, the Leafs are seen as a team on the cusp, very close to being a contending team. The Sens despite going to the conference finals are seen as a fluke or a bubble team not likely to repeat.

I hope they both make the playoffs so I can see another playoff Series between them, its been too long since the Leafs beat the Sens in the playoffs
- senstroll

SO here again, a leaf fan talking about the distant past ........... and it's OK.

double standard, if I mention last Springs' Playoff Run.

Well you guys seem all in.

Be interesting to see how the first game goes.
- spatso

Leafs Win,,, Sens Not so much...

SO here again, a leaf fan talking about the distant past ........... and it's OK.

double standard, if I mention last Springs' Playoff Run.
- D0PPELGANGER

lol.. wow you are really reaching ..nice to see it bothered you

lol.. wow you are really reaching ..nice to see it bothered you
- senstroll

your buddy systemfool says nothing in the past is relevant today......... and whines and complains when I bring up Ottawa's record (regular season & Playoffs) since the lockout as proof that the Senators have been the better team in Ontario, for the past 12 years.

.......... so when you have to go further back, into the 90's, to find something to laud over Sens fans, I just wonder why you guys can't get on the same page, and start to make some sort of sense.

your buddy systemfool says nothing in the past is relevant today......... and whines and complains when I bring up Ottawa's record (regular season & Playoffs) since the lockout as proof that the Senators have been the better team in Ontario, for the past 12 years.

.......... so when you have to go further back, into the 90's, to find something to laud over Sens fans, I just wonder why you guys can't get on the same page, and start to make some sort of sense.
- D0PPELGANGER

I am on my own page, I dont care what page others are on

your buddy systemfool says nothing in the past is relevant today......... and whines and complains when I bring up Ottawa's record (regular season & Playoffs) since the lockout as proof that the Senators have been the better team in Ontario, for the past 12 years.

.......... so when you have to go further back, into the 90's, to find something to laud over Sens fans, I just wonder why you guys can't get on the same page, and start to make some sort of sense.
- D0PPELGANGER

Do you ever read the drivel that you write ??

Here are the picks the Leafs and Sens currently have for the 2018 draft

Sens - 1,3,4,5,6,7,7
Leafs - 1,2,2,3,4,5,6,7,7

Depending on how the season goes, the Leafs may use some to make deals.
Either way its nice the Leafs who are trending up still have extra picks in the draft

your buddy systemfool says nothing in the past is relevant today......... and whines and complains when I bring up Ottawa's record (regular season & Playoffs) since the lockout as proof that the Senators have been the better team in Ontario, for the past 12 years.

.......... so when you have to go further back, into the 90's, to find something to laud over Sens fans, I just wonder why you guys can't get on the same page, and start to make some sort of sense.
- D0PPELGANGER

i dont whine and complain about the past. i just don't agree with your "lets go back 12 years only" argument. were on the same page. problem is youre reading a differen book with blank pages.

my point hasnt wavered. if youre willing to go back 12 years dont throw a tantrum when someone goes back further. if youre not willing to accept the past in its entirety, dont bring the past up at all.

im all down for going back. problem is, you want to stop at 12 years.

btw hows your buddy Spatso? he doesnt come around often. a leaf loss tonight should change that? no?

SO here again, a leaf fan talking about the distant past ........... and it's OK.

double standard, if I mention last Springs' Playoff Run.
- D0PPELGANGER

He's not saying the Leafs are in a better position than the Sens because of the past.

Just that he wants to see them get back to spanking the Sens in the playoffs... something which still aches at you today apparently.

i dont whine and complain about the past. i just don't agree with your "lets go back 12 years only" argument. were on the same page. problem is youre reading a differen book with blank pages.

my point hasnt wavered. if youre willing to go back 12 years dont throw a tantrum when someone goes back further. if youre not willing to accept the past in its entirety, dont bring the past up at all.

im all down for going back. problem is, you want to stop at 12 years.

btw hows your buddy Spatso? he doesnt come around often. a leaf loss tonight should change that? no?
- systemtool

probably not. a leafs loss only proves playoffs are hopeless, laine > matthews, sophomore slumps are real (but not for laine),and the rebuild is a failure.

not much to talk about there.

i dont whine and complain about the past. i just don't agree with your "lets go back 12 years only" argument. were on the same page. problem is youre reading a differen book with blank pages.

my point hasnt wavered. if youre willing to go back 12 years dont throw a tantrum when someone goes back further. if youre not willing to accept the past in its entirety, dont bring the past up at all.

im all down for going back. problem is, you want to stop at 12 years.

btw hows your buddy Spatso? he doesnt come around often. a leaf loss tonight should change that? no?
- systemtool

systemfool ............ it's you that throws a tantrum when I refer to the last twelves years, since the lockout .............. because it clearly shows the Senators as being the better of the two Ontario teams......... by a large margin.

So if you throw the tantrum (for 12 years) then why are you silent when someone goes back to the 90's?



It just demonstrates that the leaf fans here have been so rattled for the past twelve years, and their usage of the double-standard........ because it's the only way they can cope I guess.

systemfool ............ it's you that throws a tantrum when I refer to the last twelves years, since the lockout .............. because it clearly shows the Senators as being the better of the two Ontario teams......... by a large margin.

So if you throw the tantrum (for 12 years) then why are you silent when someone goes back to the 90's?



It just demonstrates that the leaf fans here have been so rattled for the past twelve years, and their usage of the double-standard........ because it's the only way they can cope I guess.
- D0PPELGANGER

so i triggered you again

is your tirade about something that happened 14 years ago? if so it doesnt matter.


Doofusganger, you must be rattled over the leafs having the 2nd most cups in history and a 4-0 record over the sens in the playoffs. so i get your whole 12 year angle. the pain before is too much. we get it. rattled. triggered. salty.

ive never gone silet do0Opps trump. enough lies.

closing in on 1000 pages, almost there.. just a few more dumb posts by sens fans should do it

closing in on 1000 pages, almost there.. just a few more dumb posts by sens fans should do it
- senstroll

Then it is a guarantee..

closing in on 1000 pages, almost there.. just a few more dumb posts by sens fans should do it
- senstroll

How about the posts, over the past 12 years, by leaf fans, explaining why the leafs, for each and every year, the leafs were the better of the two Ontario teams?


That's the mother-lode of dumb posts.

This is a joke. Good chance the Leafs will be even weaker next year than this year. I do like the direction they have taken and I think they are wise to rebuild. On the other hand, I think the Senators have made some very clever changes over the second half of the season and I think they will return next year as an elite team. I don't think anybody doubts that Ottawa will be much stronger in goal than they have ever been. They have played very good hockey since changing coaches. They will be a major force in the J.Bo sweepstakes and they will either sign him or make it very expensive for anyone else in the bidding. Ottawa can play head to head with any team in the league if they get the goaltending and an elite offensive D-man.
- spatso

this was Spatso first post in the thread... not much has changed

Just swap out a few names and its his same shtick.. ZOMG Senss so Good!!!

How about the posts, over the past 12 years, by leaf fans, explaining why the leafs, for each and every year, the leafs were the better of the two Ontario teams?


That's the mother-lode of dumb posts.


- D0PPELGANGER

you were in here early.. you are the clear leader in this department.. spatso is trying to make up for lost time though

9 pages of homer vs homer.

Yayyyyyyyyyy
- Sp00nz

not even Sp00nz could predict this thread hitting 1000 pages.

wonder where Sp00nz is now

How about the posts, over the past 12 years, by leaf fans, explaining why the leafs, for each and every year, the leafs were the better of the two Ontario teams?


That's the mother-lode of dumb posts.


- D0PPELGANGER

Trying to convince you of the truth is a pretty dumb endeavour.

Trying to convince you of the truth is a pretty dumb endeavour.
- Feeling Glucky?

No one in here is speaking the truth ........... they're expressing their opinions.

The closest thing to the truth would require comparing each team, at the end of the season (and or playoffs) and using commonly recognized means of determining which team had the better season (and or playoffs).


Any predictions of the future success or failure of any given team is purely speculation and is not a basis of evaluating one team as better than another.............. we all saw or made predictions at the beginning of last season, and I remember both myself and (the now banned) prock predicting that our respective teams were not going to make the playoffs ............ we were both wrong.