Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON Joined: 08.30.2007
Sep 9 @ 12:01 PM ET
Price was top 5 in pretty much every meaningful stat in 2010-11, that's when he proved he was a top end starter. I guess your entire argument rests on his bad lockout season? We could use that same logic to say Quick wasn't a top end goalie around the same time then I guess.
It's not just by chance that he's good now, everyone saw it back then too. Well almost everyone. - daeth
Well, no, he wasn't. he had a good year, yes, but from the stats you referenced earlier, he was 7th in sv% (5th I guess when you get over 30 games, so fair enough). 11th in GAA. First in wins, but partly because he played so many games. He was also second in losses. His .569 pts% would be middle of the league in terms of team pts%. Again, these all say good, but not elite.
And by saying my argument hinges on the shortened season, is again, a pretty stupid argument, given that there was a season prior to that that he played 65 games where he put up mediocre stats in all the above mentioned categories.
Everyone saw that he had the potential to be good, even me. There are a lot of talented players that have never managed to put it all together over the years, and it took him some time to. He was absolutely not performing like an elite goalie, until about 2013. You just told me his stats from 2010 on showed that, when it's abundantly clear they did not. Not until 2013/14. At which point, I said he'd need another year (consistency is important to me for goalies), for me to consider him an elite goalie. He did that, at which point I then said he's proven he is one. NOW. Not prior to 2013/14. It was only potential back then. Nothing more.
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Sep 9 @ 12:02 PM ET
Love this thread. However, if we are going to resurrect it perhaps we should read the lead post from page one. It says
"First, I must admit that I am already prejudiced against Burke for dealing the two first round picks of Kessel. So, my judgement may be clouded by my strong bias against dealing any high picks let alone two first rounders. But, I had an even a more terrible feeling coming out of last night's game. The Leafs could not protect a one goal lead against a pretty weak Montreal team. Schenn looked shaky, I am not sure what I think of Komisarek and Toskala, certainly, did not look elite. I start to worry and catastrophize the situation. I wonder if this team may be setting up to give Chiarelli a spectacular gift at next year's draft?
However, over the long haul of the season I do not believe the Leafs can be as weak as Montreal. Small forwards up front and not much team speed. Big slow D-men who really struggle with the puck. How do you end up with a slow small team in today's NHL? I am certain the Leafs will finish ahead of the Canadiens, but, will it be enough to justify Burke's strategy?."
And, if you follow the thread you will be amazed by how accurate my projections about the Leafs turned out to be. You will chuckle at how far off base many of the Leaf posters found themselves over the last few years. - spatso
The leafs are currently have the longest active NHL Championship drought, and have not even appeared in the Stanley Cup finals since their last Cup win on May 2nd, 1967.
In just a little over 6 months they'll hit the 50 year mark.............. so when do you think they'll end this drought?
The Rangers currently hold the longest drought without winning the Cup (53 seasons) and the leafs are second with 48 seasons without a Cup ....... will they break the Ranger record?
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON Joined: 02.22.2008
Dec 5 @ 2:30 PM ET
When will the Agony end?
The leafs are currently have the longest active NHL Championship drought, and have not even appeared in the Stanley Cup finals since their last Cup win on May 2nd, 1967.
In just a little over 6 months they'll hit the 50 year mark.............. so when do you think they'll end this drought?
The Rangers currently hold the longest drought without winning the Cup (53 seasons) and the leafs are second with 48 seasons without a Cup ....... will they break the Ranger record? - D0PPELGANGER
I have no idea..but what I do know is you will reply to the thread 5 years from now if they do
The leafs are currently have the longest active NHL Championship drought, and have not even appeared in the Stanley Cup finals since their last Cup win on May 2nd, 1967.
In just a little over 6 months they'll hit the 50 year mark.............. so when do you think they'll end this drought?
The Rangers currently hold the longest drought without winning the Cup (53 seasons) and the leafs are second with 48 seasons without a Cup ....... will they break the Ranger record? - D0PPELGANGER
Please post a photograph of your team's last cup win.
Even if you need to dig up this thread 20 years from now.
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON Joined: 02.22.2008
Dec 16 @ 11:46 AM ET
lol. that stung in the short-term.
long-term, we won't miss holland. - Tumbleweed
Babcock insists on playing Smith, Polak and Hunwick ...but not Holland or Corrado at all. Its odd. its not like the Leafs are steam rolling teams here ...very up and down..making some moves to sit those 3 cant hurt at all
Michael Grabner came back to haunt the leafs last week.
The leafs traded five players Carter Verhaeghe,Taylor Beck, Tom Nilsson, Matthew Finn, and Christopher Gibson to acquire Michael Grabner for the 2015-16 season, in which he delivered 9 goals ............... so far this season, after letting him go for nothing after last season, he has 21 goals.
I'm wondering why he was not traded at the trade deadline last year?
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Jan 23 @ 10:04 AM ET
Michael Grabner came back to haunt the leafs last week.
The leafs traded five players Carter Verhaeghe,Taylor Beck, Tom Nilsson, Matthew Finn, and Christopher Gibson to acquire Michael Grabner for the 2015-16 season, in which he delivered 9 goals ............... so far this season, after letting him go for nothing after last season, he has 21 goals.
I'm wondering why he was not traded at the trade deadline last year? - D0PPELGANGER
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON Joined: 02.22.2008
Jan 23 @ 11:30 AM ET
So the leaf tried to trade him, but could not get anything for him?
They gave up 5 players/prospects to get him .......... you'd think there would have been a contender (last spring) with a late round pick to offer. - D0PPELGANGER
I dont know or care and it really doesnt matter..the Leafs had to move contracts ..so swapping a bunch for an NHL player got that done...lots of junk gone from the previous management so they could start building their own prospect pool.
also Grabner having stone hands and not scoring with the leafs was helpful ..they needed a huge shot of poopty luck and low sh% to get to the bottom.
I dont know or care and it really doesnt matter..the Leafs had to move contracts ..so swapping a bunch for an NHL player got that done...lots of junk gone from the previous management so they could start building their own prospect pool.
also Grabner having stone hands and not scoring with the leafs was helpful ..they needed a huge shot of poopty luck and low sh% to get to the bottom. - senstroll
So I gather, from your explanation, that the new management, made a decision regarding those 5 players/prospects, and decides they did not fir their long term plan........ traded them for Grabner, who had one year left on his contract.......... hoping to trade him at the deadline, but did not or could not and then just decided he too did not figure into their plans and let him go.
I know there's limit as to how many "pro contracts" each NHL team is allowed to have, I think it's 50, so this too may have been a reason to get rid of these 5 players/prospects for one season of Grabner.
