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bureforearthsprez
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 08.14.2009

Nov 22 @ 1:41 PM ET
Way to go boys.
groove43
Calgary Flames
Location: Canada, AB
Joined: 05.04.2007

Nov 22 @ 5:07 PM ET
Surely the agony is over now and the leafs will definitely make the playoffs.
- Jimbo976

The flood gates are open!
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Nov 24 @ 7:58 AM ET
The flood gates are open!
- groove43


It seems to me that the hockey gods conspire against Leaf Nation. I can think of at least a half dozen games that the Leafs lost when they deserved to win. They deserve so much better considering the effort that they are putting out.
Jimbo976
Joined: 06.27.2006

Nov 24 @ 8:40 AM ET
Wow! I didn't see it but getting 61 shots and losing once again has to add to the pile of agony for the 2009-10 season and the leafs.

4 wins and 18 losses but now on pace for 15 wins at least.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Nov 24 @ 10:18 AM ET
Wow! I didn't see it but getting 61 shots and losing once again has to add to the pile of agony for the 2009-10 season and the leafs.

4 wins and 18 losses but now on pace for 15 wins at least.

- Jimbo976


But, if you watched last night's game and did not see the score you would have thought the Leafs were a playoff team, perhaps even a Cup contender.
Jimbo976
Joined: 06.27.2006

Nov 24 @ 10:20 AM ET
Yeah to get 61 shots they must have been all over them. I certainly think they deserve a better record than they have from the games i've seen so far.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Nov 24 @ 3:05 PM ET
It's tough to watch right now because they have outplayed so many of the teams they've lost to.

They do deserve a better record.

One thing that's driving me nuts is Wilson's obsession to make Toskala the #1 goalie. This guy folds like a cheap suit whever the pressure is on. And his mysterious "Injuries" are a concern.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Nov 25 @ 7:02 AM ET
Yeah to get 61 shots they must have been all over them. I certainly think they deserve a better record than they have from the games i've seen so far.
- Jimbo976


They are 0-2 against Ottawa and should have won both games.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Nov 25 @ 7:04 AM ET
It's tough to watch right now because they have outplayed so many of the teams they've lost to.

They do deserve a better record.

One thing that's driving me nuts is Wilson's obsession to make Toskala the #1 goalie. This guy folds like a cheap suit whever the pressure is on. And his mysterious "Injuries" are a concern.

- RogerRoeper


I fear Toskala is the best we have. The other guy was badly exposed the sharks saw his weakness and I think there may be more blood in the water. He looked especially bad in the shoot out.
Jimbo976
Joined: 06.27.2006

Nov 25 @ 9:06 AM ET
They are 0-2 against Ottawa and should have won both games.
- spatso


They certainly deserved to win the last game vs Ottawa. Ottawa played about 4 good minutes and pulled out the win. I don't remember the other game now though.
hello_there
Joined: 08.12.2006

Nov 25 @ 9:13 AM ET
Good teams find a way to win.
Holy-Mackinaw
Location: Loserville, NF
Joined: 02.18.2007

Nov 25 @ 9:36 AM ET
They certainly deserved to win the last game vs Ottawa. Ottawa played about 4 good minutes and pulled out the win. I don't remember the other game now though.
- Jimbo976


The same thing happened haha.

Nobody can bury it, this is why Antropov was key last year, a big blocky forward infront of the net could always just finish those huge rebounds.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Nov 25 @ 11:50 AM ET
the leafs have 1 skill player, noone else can finish, who cares if you get 60 shots if you put them all at the goalies crest.

They don't deserve to win then either, they have no skill..just a bunch of pluggers and 3rd liners. Against Ottawa leclair did what good teams do, thier best players win the game for them. Thier #1 center is a 3rd/4th liner on most teams
Crusty Sucks
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: No Kessel Deal With Toronto Im, ON
Joined: 02.20.2009

Nov 25 @ 2:44 PM ET
the leafs have 1 skill player, noone else can finish, who cares if you get 60 shots if you put them all at the goalies crest.

They don't deserve to win then either, they have no skill..just a bunch of pluggers and 3rd liners. Against Ottawa leclair did what good teams do, thier best players win the game for them. Thier #1 center is a 3rd/4th liner on most teams

- senstroll


We have three players that can finish; Kessel, Hagman, and Ponikarovsky. After that it drops off. The main problem?

We don't have anyone who will stand in front of the net to mess with the opposing team's goaltender. That's why we can take 61 shots and only score 3 times.

Hopefully Hanson fixes that.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Nov 25 @ 4:15 PM ET
We have three players that can finish; Kessel, Hagman, and Ponikarovsky. After that it drops off. The main problem?

We don't have anyone who will stand in front of the net to mess with the opposing team's goaltender. That's why we can take 61 shots and only score 3 times.

Hopefully Hanson fixes that.

- Crusty Sucks



Of the three only Kessel would be a top 3 forward on most teams in the NHL.............the other two would have a hard time breaking the top six on most teams.

This is not their year, more has to be done ( in the rebuilding process) in the off season, with 18 players in their last year of their contracts (becoming either UFA or RFA) trades and UFA signing or non re-signings, to put the leafs into the "challenging for a playoff seed" category during the 2010 / 2011 season.

Even that might be a little optimistic.
p_zub
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.20.2007

Nov 25 @ 4:16 PM ET
Of the three only Kessel would be a top 3 forward on most teams in the NHL.............the other two would have a hard time breaking the top six on most teams.

This is not their year, more has to be done ( in the rebuilding process) in the off season, with 18 players in their last year of their contracts (becoming either UFA or RFA) trades and UFA signing or non re-signings, to put the leafs into the "challenging for a playoff seed" category during the 2010 / 2011 season.

Even that might be a little optimistic.

- Doppleganger


They're both 25+ goal scorers...that would qualify as second liners on most teams.
bureforearthsprez
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 08.14.2009

Nov 25 @ 4:20 PM ET
They're both 25+ goal scorers...that would qualify as second liners on most teams.
- p_zub

I'd say calling Poni a 25+ scorer is a stretch. He hasn't ever cracked the 25 mark, although he was on good pace for a couple seasons that he was injured. I'd go with a 20+ goal scorer for him, which is borderline top 6, probably more top 9 though.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Nov 25 @ 4:33 PM ET
They're both 25+ goal scorers...that would qualify as second liners on most teams.
- p_zub



Hagman, and Ponikarovsky second liners on MOST teams ????

Surely you jest.............maybe you meant a couple of teams.


p_zub
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.20.2007

Nov 25 @ 5:00 PM ET
Hagman, and Ponikarovsky second liners on MOST teams ????

Surely you jest.............maybe you meant a couple of teams.

- Doppleganger


And Ottawa's second liners are??? Fisher of 23-goal fame; Milan Michalek of 26-goal fame?
Holy-Mackinaw
Location: Loserville, NF
Joined: 02.18.2007

Nov 25 @ 5:09 PM ET
And Ottawa's second liners are??? Fisher of 23-goal fame; Milan Michalek of 26-goal fame?
- p_zub


He did say a couple of teams
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Nov 25 @ 8:57 PM ET
I fear Toskala is the best we have. The other guy was badly exposed the sharks saw his weakness and I think there may be more blood in the water. He looked especially bad in the shoot out.
- spatso


Yeah but Toskala's look even worse in the shootout. He was horrible in the shootout in Montreal. Gustavsson has played better than Toskala overall.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Nov 25 @ 8:58 PM ET
the leafs have 1 skill player, noone else can finish, who cares if you get 60 shots if you put them all at the goalies crest.

They don't deserve to win then either, they have no skill..just a bunch of pluggers and 3rd liners. Against Ottawa leclair did what good teams do, thier best players win the game for them. Thier #1 center is a 3rd/4th liner on most teams

- senstroll


They were easily the better team, so yes, they deserved a better fate.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Nov 25 @ 10:20 PM ET
They're both 25+ goal scorers...that would qualify as second liners on most teams.
- p_zub


pokahosky and hagman are 20 goal scorers on Toronto because they get top line playing time, on any team in the top 15 they are fringe 2nd liners..and get 10-15 goals...

I would trade poky and hagman for fisher and michalek in a heartbeat ... I am sure everyone else would too..that tells you all you need to know... oh and I will throw in toskala and stajan
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Nov 25 @ 10:26 PM ET
pokahosky and hagman are 20 goal scorers on Toronto because they get top line playing time, on any team in the top 15 they are fringe 2nd liners..and get 10-15 goals...

- senstroll


That's not true. Hagman got a career year with a very good Stars team and both he and Ponikarovsky get second line minutes (avg. 16 minutes+ a night)
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Nov 25 @ 10:30 PM ET
pokahosky and hagman are 20 goal scorers on Toronto because they get top line playing time, on any team in the top 15 they are fringe 2nd liners..and get 10-15 goals...

I would trade poky and hagman for fisher and michalek in a heartbeat ... I am sure everyone else would too..that tells you all you need to know... oh and I will throw in toskala and stajan

- senstroll

People probably said the same thing about Antropov..
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