Yeah, but he'll probably tear it up, going by his first 40 games. I have a hard time seeing him putting up less than 10 as well, over the remainder of the season. Meaning Hodgson would have to put up 15 points over the remainder of the season. That's a pretty tall order.

And again, Landeskog, a key part of the Avs PK. Hits everything in sight. He's been one of their best all around players, by a long shot. Read is a key PK guy in Philly too. These guys are doing a LOT for their teams.

The interesting thing is, try to slot all of these guys into last year's rookie crop, and see where you think they fit in. Hodgson's scoring pace (not picking on him, the same can be said for the guys around him), wouldn't even crack the top 10 last year. It would be tied for second for Dmen alone, with several more Dmen BARELY behind him. Well, 2 anyway.
- prock

Points all. I would point out that while Nuge doesn't PK, he's been a monster on the PP in Edmonton. It's not coincidence that they're 2 for their last 18 or something while he's been out.

The players ahead of Hodgson get a whole extra game of ice time every 10-11 games. With the exception of RNH, none of the forwards produce as much per minute of ice time. As far as RNH goes, it's *if* he stays healthy.

The players ahead also get top PP ice time. Hodgon isnt going to bump the Sedins and Kesler so he's only geting between 20-30 seconds of 2nd unit PP time each penalty and none if the twins score.. If RNH still has issues and they sit him, the other players may need to do more than just beat Hodgson by a few points with the hundreds of more minutes they have gotten. If Hodgson gets an actuall player added to his line and has another run for March...it`s not out of the question. He may finish ahead or at least stay with the pack.

RNH isnt physically ready for the NHL. They took a big risk only considering where his skill level is. If he stayed healthy, he would have completely run away with it. Oh well...cant use that as an excuse for RNH and dismiss the injury CoHo had to overcome in your 4 year arguement Prock.

Points all. I would point out that while Nuge doesn't PK, he's been a monster on the PP in Edmonton. It's not coincidence that they're 2 for their last 18 or something while he's been out.
- GuyLaDouche

Landeskog, when you look at his stats, they don't seem overly impressive. But when you dig, it's actually pretty incredible. He's their 3rd leading scorer, but the two ahead of him get more ES and PP icetime. Not an astronomical margin, but a good margin more. He's the only guy on the Avs that has played the full season with a +/- in the positive. And he's got a +14. Nearly the entire team is heavily into the negative. He leads the team in hits and shots. Leads the forwards in blocked shots. Second in takeaways. They may be a crap team, but he's been lights out for them.

The players ahead of Hodgson get a whole extra game of ice time every 10-11 games. With the exception of RNH, none of the forwards produce as much per minute of ice time. As far as RNH goes, it's *if* he stays healthy.

The players ahead also get top PP ice time. Hodgon isnt going to bump the Sedins and Kesler so he's only geting between 20-30 seconds of 2nd unit PP time each penalty and none if the twins score.. If RNH still has issues and they sit him, the other players may need to do more than just beat Hodgson by a few points with the hundreds of more minutes they have gotten. If Hodgson gets an actuall player added to his line and has another run for March...it`s not out of the question. He may finish ahead or at least stay with the pack.

RNH isnt physically ready for the NHL. They took a big risk only considering where his skill level is. If he stayed healthy, he would have completely run away with it. Oh well...cant use that as an excuse for RNH and dismiss the injury CoHo had to overcome in your 4 year arguement Prock.
- boonerbuck

They don't give Calder trophies for players because "well maybe if they had more ice time they would do more". They give them for what the player accomplishes. And he hasn't accomplished enough to even be a nominee. I don't think he's even in the conversation at this point.

I also find it a bit retarded that you say I'm using injury as an excuse for Nugent Hopkins when I've said I think he can still return, will probably put up good points when he does, and still win the rookie point scoring race. I'm not using it as an excuse for him in the least. Besides, there is a big difference between assessing what a player has done, in terms of awarding him a trophy, and looking at their track record to try to determine what you think they're capable of. Although, that might be over your head.

They don't give Calder trophies for players because "well maybe if they had more ice time they would do more". They give them for what the player accomplishes. And he hasn't accomplished enough to even be a nominee. I don't think he's even in the conversation at this point.
- prock

When the players finish close in scoring it's going to be strongly considered. Why wouldnt it be? Why wouldnt say 300 minutes less ice time and 60% less PP time be factored in a 5-6 point difference? It's not the junior rocket richard or anything. If he finished back a ways, *then* he's not in the picture. When he was only 4-5 points back, it's exactly what the media was talking about... even in Toronto.

TDL is less than a week away. Who knows,,, he may get a good player to play with...he may be promoted o the 2nd if they bring in a solid two way 3rd line checker that plays center, he may get traded and center a 2nd line even...who knows? Very few claimed he was the favourite...why would they,,, he's not getting the chance here obviously. He's done excellent from the 3rd for most of the season....if you doubt that...he spent six weeks getting the most points per minute of ice time on our whole team..... he can get back on that roll hopefully.

Landeskog, when you look at his stats, they don't seem overly impressive. But when you dig, it's actually pretty incredible. He's their 3rd leading scorer, but the two ahead of him get more ES and PP icetime. Not an astronomical margin, but a good margin more. He's the only guy on the Avs that has played the full season with a +/- in the positive. And he's got a +14. Nearly the entire team is heavily into the negative. He leads the team in hits and shots. Leads the forwards in blocked shots. Second in takeaways. They may be a crap team, but he's been lights out for them.
- prock

If RNH comes back strong, I would say it is a 3 horse race between him, Henrique and Landeskog, mainly for the reasons you pointed out there. Read might get some consideration too.

When the players finish close in scoring it's going to be strongly considered. Why wouldnt it be? Why wouldnt say 300 minutes less ice time and 60% less PP time be factored in a 5-6 point difference? It's not the junior rocket richard or anything. If he finished back a ways, *then* he's not in the picture. When he was only 4-5 points back, it's exactly what the media was talking about... even in Toronto.

TDL is less than a week away. Who knows,,, he may get a good player to play with...he may be promoted o the 2nd if they bring in a solid two way 3rd line checker that plays center, he may get traded and center a 2nd line even...who knows? Very few claimed he was the favourite...why would they,,, he's not getting the chance here obviously. He's done excellent from the 3rd for most of the season....if you doubt that...he spent six weeks getting the most points per minute of ice time on our whole team..... he can get back on that roll hopefully.
- boonerbuck

Do you have a straight face when you say I'm making excuses for other players and then spew this crap?

Do you have a straight face when you say I'm making excuses for other players and then spew this crap?
- prock

Not being able to bump Henrik and Kesler down is just a excuse? RNH or other rookies would only be playing the 3rd here...thats the point.

Yes I had a straight face writing that as usual. I'm sure you had your usual slack jaw drooling look when you typed this.

Cody started the season with a 5 game slump and you were here right away with the "told you so" crap and then didnt arrive again til his strong play slowed down. It shows what you are all about. Just like the other brainless Leafs troll on our threads. Celebrating sucking as usual

Not being able to bump Henrik and Kesler down is just a excuse? RNH or other rookies would only be playing the 3rd here...thats the point.

Yes I had a straight face writing that as usual. I'm sure you had your usual slack jaw drooling look when you typed this.

Cody started the season with a 5 game slump and you were here right away with the "told you so" crap and then didnt arrive again til his strong play slowed down. It shows what you are all about. Just like the other brainless Leafs troll on our threads. Celebrating sucking as usual
- boonerbuck

You could have just said "Yes, I have a straight face while accusing others of making excuses in the same post as I make cheap excuses myself". that would have sufficed.

You could have just said "Yes, I have a straight face while accusing others of making excuses in the same post as I make cheap excuses myself". that would have sufficed.
- prock

Why don't you just cut and paste your post from 4 years ago and save your self all the typing. You are a one trick pony.

It's only going to take Cody a couple of points in a couple of games to get rid of you...as usual.

Why don't you just cut and paste your post from 4 years ago and save your self all the typing. You are a one trick pony.

It's only going to take Cody a couple of points in a couple of games to get rid of you...as usual.
- boonerbuck

I look forward to it. LOL.

I look forward to it. LOL.
- prock

So, tell us again why Kadri cant make a weak team like the Leafs? It's hard to get around your obsession with Hodgson to talk about anything else?

Tell us again why the Leafs are not looking like they'll make the playoffs...again?

So, tell us again why Kadri cant make a weak team like the Leafs? It's hard to get around your obsession with Hodgson to talk about anything else?

Tell us again why the Leafs are not looking like they'll make the playoffs...again?
- boonerbuck

More centre depth than the Nucks. Hodsgon would be a Marlie right now. 6th or 7th in terms of centre depth on the Leafs.

why don't you concern yourself with the Canucks winning their first cup. Ever. In history. Because it looks like that won't happen. Again.

More centre depth than the Nucks. Hodsgon would be a Marlie right now. 6th or 7th in terms of centre depth on the Leafs.

why don't you concern yourself with the Canucks winning their first cup. Ever. In history. Because it looks like that won't happen. Again.
- prock

The Leafs have more center depth that the Canucks? You get worse with time Prock.

Kessel and Grabovski better than Henrik Sedin(Hart and scoring title) and Kesler (41 g and a selke).

Bozak is only doing as well as Cody...in his 3rd season. Explain that to me? He finished a -29 last season.

The Leafs have never made it to the 4rth round....EVER EVER EVER. They won their last cup in a six team league where only two dont makes it and the playoffs only went two rounds. It was harder to win football, soccer, basketball, baseball, and bowling championships back then. Be proud of your history but Vancouver has clearly been a better playoff team during the time frame in their existence. Thats just perfect. We don't even have to beat up on you guys...you do it yourself all the while thinking you have something to brag about.

I cant wait to see the Jets bump you guys...that would be so rich.

The Leafs have more center depth that the Canucks? You get worse with time Prock.

Kessel and Grabovski better than Henrik Sedin(Hart and scoring title) and Kesler (41 g and a selke).

Bozak is only doing as well as Cody...in his 3rd season. Explain that to me? He finished a -29 last season.

The Leafs have never made it to the 4rth round....EVER EVER EVER. They won their last cup in a six team league where only two dont makes it and the playoffs only went two rounds. It was harder to win football, soccer, basketball, baseball, and bowling championships back then. Be proud of your history but Vancouver has clearly been a better playoff team during the time frame in their existence. Thats just perfect. We don't even have to beat up on you guys...you do it yourself all the while thinking you have something to brag about.

I cant wait to the Jets bump you guys...that would be so rich.
- boonerbuck

Depth....

Bozak and Grabovski are not depth. Depth are third and fourth lines. Connolly, Lombardi, Steckel, Colborne, Kadri.

Canucks "depth" would be Hodgson, Malhotra? Lapierre? Just, various pieces of crap, basically.

Depth....

Bozak and Grabovski are not depth. Depth are third and fourth lines. Connolly, Lombardi, Steckel, Colborne, Kadri.

Canucks "depth" would be Hodgson, Malhotra? Lapierre? Just, various pieces of crap, basically.
- prock

What the hell does 4rth 5th 6th line centers have to do with anything?

You are defelecting but the scat still sticks.

What the hell does 4rth 5th 6th line centers have to do with anything?

You are defelecting but the scat still sticks.
- boonerbuck

umm, 3rd, 4th line and beyond? that's what depth is.

umm, 3rd, 4th line and beyond? that's what depth is.
- prock

You are dumb. How is it rellivent? Cody produces as good or better than Bozak with 4-5 minutes a night less ice time and crappy linemates. You claim Kadri is ahead and was going to have a better seasons than Cody...he can't even bump Bozak. It's reaonable to say Cody would be producing more in Bozak's situation with 18 minutes a night. Your "depth" gets you nowhere...

Never in my life have I seen a fan who beats his chest as much as you over failing and their mediocre prospects not being able to get them to the playoffs. RARARA 1967! RARARA 1967!

When you make it to the 4rth round for the *first time* in an almost century long existence...maybe you'll have something to brag about. A conference final in the modern NHL is a far greater acheivement than your cups in a six team, two round, 3 game series structure. If you count a cup in 1925, then Vancouver may as well take credit for their cup in 1915. Pathetic...sure, but thats *your* game isnt it...?

I thank you for giving me the opportunity to celebrate your wonderfull playoff history. I would feel like a heartless troll if I brought all this depressing history myself. Unbelievable....

I think you may even be a fake Leafs fan...why would you invite all this tragedy out in the open? Weird....you just make Leafs and their fans look worse....if thats possible.

You are dumb. How is it rellivent? Cody produces as good or better than Bozak with 4-5 minutes a night less ice time and crappy linemates. You claim Kadri is ahead and was going to have a better seasons than Cody...he can't even bump Bozak. It's reaonable to say Cody would be producing more in Bozak's situation with 18 minutes a night. Your "depth" gets you nowhere...

Never in my life have I seen a fan who beats his chest as much as you over failing and their mediocre prospects not being able to get them to the playoffs. RARARA 1967! RARARA 1967!

When you make it to the 4rth round for the *first time* in an almost century long existence...maybe you'll have something to brag about. A conference final in the modern NHL is a far greater acheivement than your cups in a six team, two round, 3 game series structure. If you count a cup in 1925, then Vancouver may as well take credit for their cup in 1915. Pathetic...sure, but thats *your* game isnt it...?

I thank you for giving me the opportunity to celebrate your wonderfull playoff history. I would feel like a heartless troll if I brought all this depressing history myself. Unbelievable....

I think you may even be a fake Leafs fan...why would you invite all this tragedy out in the open? Weird....you just make Leafs and their fans look worse....if thats possible.
- boonerbuck

I take it you don't know what depth is?

I take it you don't know what depth is?
- prock

Thats the funnies thing I ever heard from a Leafs fan.

Explain depth to us? Obviously we don't know what it is having gone 8 playoff rounds in the last 3 years....compared to your 1 in a decade.

Prock.

You went from telling us how much better Kadri was than Hodgson to debating that he isn't the favourite to win ROOKIE OF THE YEAR.

I know it may be old but there's surely a slice of humble pie around your trailer somewhere, just take a bite and shut up. Hodgson looks like he's a good player after all. All you had to say.

Thats the funnies thing I ever heard from a Leafs fan.

Explain depth to us? Obviously we don't know what it is having gone 8 playoff rounds in the last 3 years....compared to your 1 in a decade.
- boonerbuck

And all we heard was "waaaahhhh, our D were injured, that's why we lost". That's because they had no depth. also they were yellow bellied diving cowards, I guess.

Prock.

You went from telling us how much better Kadri was than Hodgson to debating that he isn't the favourite to win ROOKIE OF THE YEAR.

I know it may be old but there's surely a slice of humble pie around your trailer somewhere, just take a bite and shut up. Hodgson looks like he's a good player after all. All you had to say.
- natowar

Not really.

Not really.
- prock

He doesn't look like he'll be a good player to you? Well I guess if you're looking at the maple laughs to show you what good players are all about then I can see where you're coming from.

He works smart and hard every game. Defensively sound and offensively aware. I know I may as well be speaking Greek to you.

League must have made him a member of rookie all star squad to make us feel better about ourselves.

He doesn't look like he'll be a good player to you? Well I guess if you're looking at the maple laughs to show you what good players are all about then I can see where you're coming from.

He works smart and hard every game. Defensively sound and offensively aware. I know I may as well be speaking Greek to you.

League must have made him a member of rookie all star squad to make us feel better about ourselves.
- natowar

Prock...what a gem....

It will take Cody a mere assist in back to back games to see him crawl back under his leaf.