leafs third in the east. Contenders?
- prock

Ottawa 4th in the east. Contenders?

Ottawa 4th in the east. Contenders?
- Doppleganger

Not sure. How do they stack up by points %?

Why did you avoid my question?

Not sure. How do they stack up by points %?

Why did you avoid my question?
- prock

When you start answering questions, then perhaps I'll consider doing so.

BTW, what happened to those mighty leafs? You claimed that perhaps the Senators would stand a better chance playing against the marlies.............so what happened?

When you start answering questions, then perhaps I'll consider doing so.

BTW, what happened to those mighty leafs? You claimed that perhaps the Senators would stand a better chance playing against the marlies.............so what happened?
- Doppleganger

I asked it first. I know why you don't want to answer anyone else's questions though. Everyone sees right through you.

I asked it first. I know why you don't want to answer anyone else's questions though. Everyone sees right through you.
- prock

What they've seen is that when you asked me if Spezza was overpaid, I showed that he is not.

What they've seen is that when you claimed that all I do is start Threads about the leafs, I showed (by listing my threads) that I don't.

What they've seen is that when I pointed out that Ottawa only went on the PP twice against the Panthers, and could have potentially gone on the PP four times, you couldn't figure it out until I pointed out that the Senators scored on two delayed penalty calls, thereby proving that watching a game give me better insight and knowledge of the game than you do only reading the stats.

What they've seen is me suggesting that when Carkner and Winchester returned to the Senators line up, the team should see some improvements, and you mocked this suggestion. Winchester has been back in the line up for the last six games, six wins.

What they've seen is me, in the past two seasons telling leaf fans like you, in and around December (2009 & 2010) that the leafs would not make the playoffs, and you telling everyone the ClubspotsStats site is silly and should be disregarded, but in the end, both years it was bang on!

What they've seen is you forecasting that the Senators to be the worst team in the NE Division and not in the same tier as the mighty leafs, and me suggesting that Ottawa would measure up with the mighty leafs and that they both will probably miss the playoffs.

If anyone is seeing through anyone, it's not me.

What they've seen is that when you asked me if Spezza was overpaid, I showed that he is not.

What they've seen is that when you claimed that all I do is start Threads about the leafs, I showed (by listing my threads) that I don't.

What they've seen is that when I pointed out that Ottawa only went on the PP twice against the Panthers, and could have potentially gone on the PP four times, you couldn't figure it out until I pointed out that the Senators scored on two delayed penalty calls, thereby proving that watching a game give me better insight and knowledge of the game than you do only reading the stats.

What they've seen is me suggesting that when Carkner and Winchester returned to the Senators line up, the team should see some improvements, and you mocked this suggestion. Winchester has been back in the line up for the last six games, six wins.

What they've seen is me, in the past two seasons telling leaf fans like you, in and around December (2009 & 2010) that the leafs would not make the playoffs, and you telling everyone the ClubspotsStats site is silly and should be disregarded, but in the end, both years it was bang on!

What they've seen is you forecasting that the Senators to be the worst team in the NE Division and not in the same tier as the mighty leafs, and me suggesting that Ottawa would measure up with the mighty leafs and that they both will probably miss the playoffs.

If anyone is seeing through anyone, it's not me.
- Doppleganger

No, you didn't.

No, you didn't.
- prock

Sure he did. What are we talking about now?

Sure he did. What are we talking about now?
- Mr_Squeaks

You think prock ever knows what he's talking about? Good luck with that.

You think prock ever knows what he's talking about? Good luck with that.
- annoyance_101

Yes he does, and has pointed me in the right direction (links) when I've queried him in the past, on leaf related topics.

But most of time, in regards to the Senators, he just won't budge from his base of hatred and jealousy.

Sens need everything to go perfect to get about 11th spot, and a other teams to tank out along with that. There is one top 6 player on the roster, now that Alfredsson looks to be done for.
- prock

http://nhl-red-light.si.c...-surprises/?sct=nhl_wr_a1

Another vet rediscovering his best play is winger Michalek, who has four goals and four assists during the streak. His four power play goals tie for the NHL lead. Injuries have rendered him far less effective in the two years since he came over from San Jose in the trade for Dany Heatley, but a healthy Michalek certainly makes a big difference for the Sens.

Yes he does, and has pointed me in the right direction (links) when I've queried him in the past, on leaf related topics.

But most of time, in regards to the Senators, he just won't budge from his base of hatred and jealousy.
- Doppleganger

lol jealousy? you think anyone is jealous of the senators? lmfao other than senators defense, i wouldnt take many players over many on the leafs...but truly thats not saying much...maybe spezza and a healthy alfy...but no one else...and it pains me to even say that...i certainly dont think the leafs are great but dont act like they have a reason to be jealous of the senators...

lol jealousy? you think anyone is jealous of the senators? lmfao other than senators defense, i wouldnt take many players over many on the leafs...but truly thats not saying much...maybe spezza and a healthy alfy...but no one else...and it pains me to even say that...i certainly dont think the leafs are great but dont act like they have a reason to be jealous of the senators...
- annoyance_101

Yeah who would want 21 year old Erik Karlsson, leading the NHL in points for defensemen. Or even Milan Michalek, currently 12th in the NHL for points..............or any of the young defensive prospects like Rundblad or Cowen, no team would want those players.

Yeah who would want 21 year old Erik Karlsson, leading the NHL in points for defensemen. Or even Milan Michalek, currently 12th in the NHL for points..............or any of the young defensive prospects like Rundblad or Cowen, no team would want those players.
- Doppleganger

This is getting silly. Leafs fans would love to have these players join their team. That's not jealousy. Hell, Columbus has some players I'd love to see in Sens jerseys - that doesn't mean I'm jealous of them. At some point we lost the ability to talk objectively about hockey - and who knows, maybe we were never very good at that. Not every discussion needs to be a 12 page argument...

This is getting silly. Leafs fans would love to have these players join their team. That's not jealousy. Hell, Columbus has some players I'd love to see in Sens jerseys - that doesn't mean I'm jealous of them. At some point we lost the ability to talk objectively about hockey - and who knows, maybe we were never very good at that. Not every discussion needs to be a 12 page argument...
- Mr_Squeaks

Yeah, I wouldn't mind Karlsson. Pair him off with Schenn, to cover up for his defensive issues. It could work out well.

Yeah, I wouldn't mind Karlsson. Pair him off with Schenn, to cover up for his defensive issues. It could work out well.
- prock

His greatest skill on defense is that he always has the puck,and pushing the play up the ice.Of course he has problems defending against most forwards with out the puck,he is a pip squeak.

But if he where to get that big monster blueliner ,that could fish it out for him that would make his offensive numbers soar even higher

Yeah who would want 21 year old Erik Karlsson, leading the NHL in points for defensemen. Or even Milan Michalek, currently 12th in the NHL for points..............or any of the young defensive prospects like Rundblad or Cowen, no team would want those players.
- Doppleganger

"other than senators defense" learn to read, it will serve you well in the future and not make you look so foolish...and if you think Michaleks so great...why werent you saying that last year when he amounted to his average of 33 points...i'd take lupul any day of the week over that...both with identical points this year too...

I. Don't. Care.

He has not done enough to be considered a top 6 forward either of the past 2 seasons.

You can cherry pick stats, compare goal scoring wingers to playmaking centres, and guys that have barely played a single season over the past two all you like, it doesn't change that.

He's not a top 6 forward. No matter how you want to spin things. I wouldn't take Michalek over any single one of those guys. He hasn't done SQUAT since he lost Thornton as a centre.
- prock

leaf fan, trolling in the Senators forum?

toronto .731 (4th overall) 82.7% chance of making playoffs
Buffalo .545 (16th overall) 68.8% chance of making playoffs
Ottawa .538 (18th overall) 28.5% chance of making playoffs
Montreal .455 (27th overall) 42.3% chance of making playoffs
Boston .364 (29th overall) 27.1% chance of making playoffs

toronto .731 (4th overall) 82.7% chance of making playoffs
Buffalo .545 (16th overall) 68.8% chance of making playoffs
Ottawa .538 (18th overall) 28.5% chance of making playoffs
Montreal .455 (27th overall) 42.3% chance of making playoffs
Boston .364 (29th overall) 27.1% chance of making playoffs
- Doppleganger

I guess the Sens don't measure up very well in the province?

I guess the Sens don't measure up very well in the province?
- prock

Goals against per game: 3.17 (4th worst in NHL)
Powerplay: 17.0% (16th in NHL)
Penalty Kill: 69.5% (Last in NHL, and have let in 2+ PPGs in 7 of 12 games)
Shots per game: 27 (22nd in NHL)
Win% when scoring first: .500 (Leafs have scored the first goal in 8 of 12 games)

Leafs stats right here, I guess Maple Leafs dont measure up to 2/3's of the league...once the scoring dries up (which it always does and will) the leafs will switch places with boston...

Goals against per game: 3.17 (4th worst in NHL)
Powerplay: 17.0% (16th in NHL)
Penalty Kill: 69.5% (Last in NHL, and have let in 2+ PPGs in 7 of 12 games)
Shots per game: 27 (22nd in NHL)
Win% when scoring first: .500 (Leafs have scored the first goal in 8 of 12 games)

Leafs stats right here, I guess Maple Leafs dont measure up to 2/3's of the league...once the scoring dries up (which it always does and will) the leafs will switch places with boston...
- annoyance_101

So..... despite sitting on top of the NHL standings currently (4th by pts% though, which is more accurate), you're suggesting that the Leafs don't measure up..... because of things like their win% when they score the first goal?

How about 4 wins, no losses when the opposing team scores first.... 1st in the NHL.

And you wonder why people think you're an idiot?

So..... despite sitting on top of the NHL standings currently (4th by pts% though, which is more accurate), you're suggesting that the Leafs don't measure up..... because of things like their win% when they score the first goal?

How about 4 wins, no losses when the opposing team scores first.... 1st in the NHL.

And you wonder why people think you're an idiot?
- prock

I am suggesting that the scoring of the lines will dry up like it does year after year...the only reason they are winning games right now is because they are out scoring their real problems...any unbiased person can see that...

Canucks were ahead in the nhl by the end of last year, with 1st in PP, and 2nd in PK...the Leafs are far from securing a playoff spot...do you think Wilson has all of a sudden become coach of the year or something? They've still got the same defensive problems they had last year, despite adding Liles, Gardiner and Franson...all it takes is 1 more injury to the leafs and they'll sink faster than the titanic...they started off strong last year too, look how far that got them...eventually the true superstars in the east are going to wake up like they always do around mid november - early december...and when that happens...the stats I posted about the Leafs are going to become far more evident...

I am suggesting that the scoring of the lines will dry up like it does year after year...the only reason they are winning games right now is because they are out scoring their real problems...any unbiased person can see that...

Canucks were ahead in the nhl by the end of last year, with 1st in PP, and 2nd in PK...the Leafs are far from securing a playoff spot...do you think Wilson has all of a sudden become coach of the year or something? They've still got the same defensive problems they had last year, despite adding Liles, Gardiner and Franson...all it takes is 1 more injury to the leafs and they'll sink faster than the titanic...they started off strong last year too, look how far that got them...eventually the true superstars in the east are going to wake up like they always do around mid november - early december...and when that happens...the stats I posted about the Leafs are going to become far more evident...
- annoyance_101

I don't expect it to continue like this. But it would take a pretty huge slide to sink out of a playoff spot any time soon.

I know you hate the Leafs and all, but they'd have to play like the Canucks have so far this year, for the ENTIRE year, to fall out of a playoff spot. Honestly, what is the likelihood of them being THAT bad for the rest of the year? Not very high.

I don't expect it to continue like this. But it would take a pretty huge slide to sink out of a playoff spot any time soon.

I know you hate the Leafs and all, but they'd have to play like the Canucks have so far this year, for the ENTIRE year, to fall out of a playoff spot. Honestly, what is the likelihood of them being THAT bad for the rest of the year? Not very high.
- prock

I don't hate the leafs team...they're my 2nd favorite canadian team...mostly because most of my friends are leafs fans...the leafs played like the canucks are currently playing (.500 hockey) last year after the first month...so it would not surprise me to see them do it again...i'll admit they are off to a great scoring start to the season...and it actually shocked me to see my friend post the stats that I have posted in here about the Leafs...I mean the first month of a season has detroit losing 6 in a row...the leafs will have their 6 game losing streak at some point...and when that happens, they will fall to where the red wings are now...

I just truthfully dont think they measure up well in the division as they appear to be right now...if alfy stays healthy, i believe the sens will finish higher than the leafs when the season is over...

I don't hate the leafs team...they're my 2nd favorite canadian team...mostly because most of my friends are leafs fans...the leafs played like the canucks are currently playing (.500 hockey) last year after the first month...so it would not surprise me to see them do it again...i'll admit they are off to a great scoring start to the season...and it actually shocked me to see my friend post the stats that I have posted in here about the Leafs...I mean the first month of a season has detroit losing 6 in a row...the leafs will have their 6 game losing streak at some point...and when that happens, they will fall to where the red wings are now...

I just truthfully dont think they measure up well in the division as they appear to be right now...if alfy stays healthy, i believe the sens will finish higher than the leafs when the season is over...
- annoyance_101

You've got to be kidding me. The Sens offense sucks. They have one line, and then a bunch of plugs. You want to talk about scoring drying up? Spezza is scoring not only WAY above what he's done for the past 3 years, but above his career average, which includes the years him, Alfie, and Heatley racked up ridiculous point totals. Michalek is scoring MILES above what you can reasonably expect from him. Alfie is going on 39. Colin Greening is scoring at a higher pace than he did in the AHL. Gonchar, 37, suddenly playing like he's in his prime again. Not a chance in hell Karlsson keeps scoring like has been.

And you think the LEAFS scoring will dry up?


The Sens scoring is more likely to dry up, and probably drop off more significantly than the Leafs..... And then, you're left with a team that is giving up the most goals in the NHL. By a wide margin.

Ottawa is going to be a basement team this year. It's pretty much a sure thing.

And even if it does.... With Reimer in net, the goals against is pretty consistent with what it was last year, to start the season. With him back in net, the Leafs will be able to compensate for a bit of a drop in goal scoring.

Besides, as much as the Leafs have some guys scoring in bunches right now, there are others that haven't completely gotten going yet.

They may not stay where they are. I fully expect them to slip a bit. But not to the basement. Where I expect the Sens to slip to.