That was who he would take, not necessarily who was better

For instance, I am biased when it comes to Aulie, and probably wouldnt take a player who I think is better than Aulie in exchange for him because I think he is a great player and I want to keep him.

However that doesn't mean this guy doesn't think Schenn is actually better, I'd like to talk to him about it, but I think I am correct in saying that most leaf fans would say that Myers is the better overall player currently
- mfreedman

I'd have to admit I have not seen enough of Aulie to form an opinion on him. But I hear a lot of leaf fans on this site, whose opinions I respect, like yours, who are saying the same thing.

The opinions that I tend to disregard are the ones who form their opinions based solely on the uniform the player is wearing, and will argue until the end of time, as if agreeing (for example) that Myers isbetter than Schenn, would somehow make them less of a fan of their team, or even hurt their teams chances of winning the Cup or something, even when fans like yourself, who are objective can separate being a fan of a team, disagree with those kinda fans.

I'd have to admit I have not enough of Aulie to form an opinion on him. But I hear a lot of leaf fans on this site, whose opinions I respect, like yours, who are saying the same thing.

The opinions that I tend to disregard are the ones who form their opinions based solely on the uniform the player is wearing, and will argue until the end of time, as if agreeing (for example) that Myers isbetter than Schenn, would somehow make them less of a fan of their team, or even hurt their teams chances of winning the Cup or something, even when fans like yourself, who are objective can separate being a fan of a team, disagree with those kinda fans.
- Doppleganger

Its hard to take those people seriously. I love how some people are aboslutely in love with a player that has been on their team forever, and the instant they get traded all the hate that they never said anything aobut just comes pouring out. The best ones in the past bit I think have been Penner, Richards/Carter, and Connolly

The amount of poop I heard about Carter/Richard after, compared to the amount of praise they received before was priceless.

Its hard to take those people seriously. I love how some people are aboslutely in love with a player that has been on their team forever, and the instant they get traded all the hate that they never said anything aobut just comes pouring out. The best ones in the past bit I think have been Penner, Richards/Carter, and Connolly

The amount of poop I heard about Carter/Richard after, compared to the amount of praise they received before was priceless.
- mfreedman

BTW, what are the realistic number of "openings" on the leafs opening day roster, and who would you think could grab those spots if any are up for grabs.

BTW, what are the realistic number of "openings" on the leafs opening day roster, and who would you think could grab those spots if any are up for grabs.
- Doppleganger

Here are my set players. Not sure about the defensive combos, but the players that are guaranteed are there.

Lupul-Conolly-Kessel
Macarthur-Grabovski-Kulemin
?-??-Armstrong
Brown-???-Orr

Phaneuf-Aulie
Schenn-Liles
????-?????

Reimer
Gustavsson

Possibilities for ?s

? - Frattin/Kadri/Lombardi
?? - Bozak/Lombardi/Colborne(Highly unlikely)
??? - Boyce/Zigomanis/Bozak(Highly Unlikely)/Colborne(Unlikely)

Depends Mostly on camp, but first 2 are most likely

????/????? - Franson/Gunnarson/Komisarek(Probably 7th to start)/Gradiner(Highly Unlikely)

Its hard to take those people seriously. I love how some people are aboslutely in love with a player that has been on their team forever, and the instant they get traded all the hate that they never said anything aobut just comes pouring out. The best ones in the past bit I think have been Penner, Richards/Carter, and Connolly

The amount of poop I heard about Carter/Richard after, compared to the amount of praise they received before was priceless.
- mfreedman

I think Oilers fans were in love with his scoring, because he was a better scorer than we had. We loved his potential, because he has potential to be a dominating Power Forward and the games he showed glimpses of it, he was great.

But I really didn't get the impression that people loved him, and now act like they hate him. People might have exaggerated his failings after he was traded, especially because he did so terribly and because the return was considered high, but I don't think oilers fans really "loved" him before he was traded. I think you'd be hard pressed to find fans that were ever completely satisfied with him.

I think Oilers fans were in love with his scoring, because he was a better scorer than we had. We loved his potential, because he has potential to be a dominating Power Forward and the games he showed glimpses of it, he was great.

But I really didn't get the impression that people loved him, and now act like they hate him. People might have exaggerated his failings after he was traded, especially because he did so terribly and because the return was considered high, but I don't think oilers fans really "loved" him before he was traded. I think you'd be hard pressed to find fans that were ever completely satisfied with him.
- Morris

People ragged on Penner his entire time in Edmonton, and the fat jokes never truly stopped.

I think Oilers fans were in love with his scoring, because he was a better scorer than we had. We loved his potential, because he has potential to be a dominating Power Forward and the games he showed glimpses of it, he was great.

But I really didn't get the impression that people loved him, and now act like they hate him. People might have exaggerated his failings after he was traded, especially because he did so terribly and because the return was considered high, but I don't think oilers fans really "loved" him before he was traded. I think you'd be hard pressed to find fans that were ever completely satisfied with him.
- Morris

I can agree with that, however, if you look at the attitudes before and after, there is a drastic difference between the views of him of most oilers fans I talk to. This isn't specific to a particular team, it is more in relation to most fans in general i find.

I normally will express my dislike for a player even if they are still on my team (i.e. komi, rynnas). I am not expecting other people to act the same way as every fan is different, but I also still appreciate players I previously liked that have left the leafs (i.e. kaberle, brent) and will for a good while
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I can agree with that, however, if you look at the attitudes before and after, there is a drastic difference between the views of him of most oilers fans I talk to. This isn't specific to a particular team, it is more in relation to most fans in general i find.

I normally will express my dislike for a player even if they are still on my team (i.e. komi, rynnas). I am not expecting other people to act the same way as every fan is different, but I also still appreciate players I previously liked that have left the leafs (i.e. kaberle, brent) and will for a good while

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As I say, the hate for Penner is overblown now that he's traded. He can score 30 goals in a season, which you can only say about 50 or so players (really only 30 a year). Also, he's got the best hands per size in the game (maybe Brian Boyle). If he made good on his potential, or found himself a great centre (he'd look great with Crosby), he could easily be 35g, 70pts. For such an on the fence player, people definitely concentrated on the failing side after he was traded.

I'd have to admit I have not seen enough of Aulie to form an opinion on him. But I hear a lot of leaf fans on this site, whose opinions I respect, like yours, who are saying the same thing.

The opinions that I tend to disregard are the ones who form their opinions based solely on the uniform the player is wearing, and will argue until the end of time, as if agreeing (for example) that Myers isbetter than Schenn, would somehow make them less of a fan of their team, or even hurt their teams chances of winning the Cup or something, even when fans like yourself, who are objective can separate being a fan of a team, disagree with those kinda fans.
- Doppleganger

I say Schenn is better than Myers(though marginally) because I believe defensemen should play... you know... defense. I'll take a defensive stalwart who puts up 20 points any day over a pure offense guy who puts up 40 points.

I think at their top, Schenn can be a 40 point guy, while Myers has 60 point potential. Offensively, obviously, Myers will always be better, but Schenn will always have the edge in defense, physicality, and leadership, and I believe Schenn's overall contribution to a team will always be greater than Myers'.

And based on your own criteria, you should disregard your own posts... which I guess means you should just stop posting.

I can agree with that, however, if you look at the attitudes before and after, there is a drastic difference between the views of him of most oilers fans I talk to. This isn't specific to a particular team, it is more in relation to most fans in general i find.

I normally will express my dislike for a player even if they are still on my team (i.e. komi, rynnas). I am not expecting other people to act the same way as every fan is different, but I also still appreciate players I previously liked that have left the leafs (i.e. kaberle, brent) and will for a good while

- mfreedman[img][/img]

What do you have against Rynnas? Guy hasn't even played an NHL game yet.

I say Schenn is better than Myers(though marginally) because I believe defensemen should play... you know... defense. I'll take a defensive stalwart who puts up 20 points any day over a pure offense guy who puts up 40 points.

I think at their top, Schenn can be a 40 point guy, while Myers has 60 point potential. Offensively, obviously, Myers will always be better, but Schenn will always have the edge in defense, physicality, and leadership, and I believe Schenn's overall contribution to a team will always be greater than Myers'.

And based on your own criteria, you should disregard your own posts... which I guess means you should just stop posting.
- Schenn-Sational!

you think schenn can be a top 30 scorer among dman?

i would say myers is equal to schenn defensively, but less physical with way more offesive upside. Myers is almost Chara like.

you think schenn can be a top 30 scorer among dman?

i would say myers is equal to schenn defensively, but less physical with way more offesive upside. Myers is almost Chara like.
- sens rock

I saw Chara play for the Islanders and right from the beginning he showed that he had the potential to be a large talent. I saw a lot of him when he played in Ottawa. Myers is a lot farther ahead in his development than Chara was at the same age. At this point in his career he is better offensively and defensively than Chara. Anybody who compares Schenn with Myers is just being foolish. It does not take anything away from Schenn, he is very good at what he does, one of the best defensive Dmen in his age group. But, Myers is in a different class and the bench mark that he gets compared against includes guys like Chara, Weber and Doughty. Myers is not there yet, but that is his ceiling.

you think schenn can be a top 30 scorer among dman?

i would say myers is equal to schenn defensively, but less physical with way more offesive upside. Myers is almost Chara like.
- sens rock

I think Schenn has the potential. He's got a great 1st pass, and his shot, and more importantly confidence in the offensive side of things, are improving greatly.

I don't think Myers is even remotely close to Schenn defensively though... if he has the ability to be, he certainly opts against using it, in favour of the offensive side of things.

I think Schenn has the potential. He's got a great 1st pass, and his shot, and more importantly confidence in the offensive side of things, are improving greatly.

I don't think Myers is even remotely close to Schenn defensively though... if he has the ability to be, he certainly opts against using it, in favour of the offensive side of things.
- Schenn-Sational!

i think you're pretty much alone on this one. but to each their own i guess.

i think you're pretty much alone on this one. but to each their own i guess.
- sens rock

seems that way

I think Schenn has the potential. He's got a great 1st pass, and his shot, and more importantly confidence in the offensive side of things, are improving greatly.

I don't think Myers is even remotely close to Schenn defensively though... if he has the ability to be, he certainly opts against using it, in favour of the offensive side of things.
- Schenn-Sational!

Schenn is better defensively. But I wouldnt say Myers isnt remotely close. I would trade Schenn for Myers straight up. I would hate to see Schenn go but I would do it.


bloody hell. I just got one of these new tablet computers and it keeps changing schenn to screen.

What do you have against Rynnas? Guy hasn't even played an NHL game yet.
- Schenn-Sational!

Nothing against him, but from what I saw of him play, I just didn't see the potential that everyone else did. I think scrivens has the better shot of making it. May be biased, but thats just my view.

you think schenn can be a top 30 scorer among dman?

i would say myers is equal to schenn defensively, but less physical with way more offesive upside. Myers is almost Chara like.
- sens rock

Chara (6'9") is the only player in the NHL who is taller than Myers. Tyler is 6'8" 230 lbs, Luke is the same weight and 6 inches shorter.

Nothing against him, but from what I saw of him play, I just didn't see the potential that everyone else did. I think scrivens has the better shot of making it. May be biased, but thats just my view.
- mfreedman

Agreed on Scrivens, think he may be the best of the bunch, but haven't seen nearly enough of Rynnas to write him off

Chara (6'9") is the only player in the NHL who is taller than Myers. Tyler is 6'8" 230 lbs, Luke is the same weight and 6 inches shorter.
- Doppleganger

Schenn actually added more weight this summer. Guys a tank.

Schenn actually added more weight this summer. Guys a tank.
- Schenn-Sational!

at that height adding more weight can't be a good thing.

at that height adding more weight can't be a good thing.
- sens rock

Depends, if it's in the form of lower body muscle, it's definitely a good thing.

Schenn actually added more weight this summer. Guys a tank.
- Schenn-Sational!

so did byfuglien

so did byfuglien
- nightmare3020

I say Schenn is better than Myers(though marginally) because I believe defensemen should play... you know... defense. I'll take a defensive stalwart who puts up 20 points any day over a pure offense guy who puts up 40 points.

I think at their top, Schenn can be a 40 point guy, while Myers has 60 point potential. Offensively, obviously, Myers will always be better, but Schenn will always have the edge in defense, physicality, and leadership, and I believe Schenn's overall contribution to a team will always be greater than Myers'.

And based on your own criteria, you should disregard your own posts... which I guess means you should just stop posting.
- Schenn-Sational!

Very doubtful. Schenn never even put up 30 in any minor league.

He really has no offensive skill while Myers has a ton of it.