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Playoff experience is not an urgent factor right now. Build a quality team and that will take care of itself.

My biggest issue with Farabee is lack of production. 1 assist in 5 games on that roster. He doesn't have to be the top scorer but come on.

What's his game? Doesn't score enough. Is he going to be a 3rd line shut down guy?

My biggest issue with Farabee is lack of production. 1 assist in 5 games on that roster. He doesn't have to be the top scorer but come on.

What's his game? Doesn't score enough. Is he going to be a 3rd line shut down guy?
- cdearth23

Yes and no. He has to avoid the prolonged slump he went into at the end of last season. For a large part of the season, he was one of the highest scoring LW's at 5 on 5 in the league. Nobody on the Flyers scores well on the PP.

Yes and no. He has to avoid the prolonged slump he went into at the end of last season. For a large part of the season, he was one of the highest scoring LW's at 5 on 5 in the league. Nobody on the Flyers scores well on the PP.
- MJL

Just another in a long line of Flyer multi million dollar failures. Will be curious to see how Tippett responds this year and to a lesser extend Seeler). Flyers need to add a "mental toughness" aspect to their drafting evaluation, because almost to a man they lack it.

CapFriendly rolled its years; now showing 24-25 as the first year. Flyers are at the top of the list with only 19 of 23 slots filled...AND WE ARE REBUILDING! It is like death by paper cuts. Who on that roster right now is a bargain (excluding ELCs). TK? Not next year; Frost? Tortorella hates him...

Just another in a long line of Flyer multi million dollar failures. Will be curious to see how Tippett responds this year and to a lesser extend Seeler). Flyers need to add a "mental toughness" aspect to their drafting evaluation, because almost to a man they lack it.
- mr4tno

Not sure exactly but if you're stating that Farabee is a failure as a player, I would disagree. He's dealt with some significant injuries. I think he's a strong player.

Yes and no. He has to avoid the prolonged slump he went into at the end of last season. For a large part of the season, he was one of the highest scoring LW's at 5 on 5 in the league. Nobody on the Flyers scores well on the PP.
- MJL

He seems to have a long slump every year it seems.

Not sure exactly but if you're stating that Farabee is a failure as a player, I would disagree. He's dealt with some significant injuries. I think he's a strong player.
- MJL

What do you think his trade value is currently?

Farabee was remarkably consistent -- and productive -- throughout the first half of the season, right up to the All-Star break. For whatever reason, he fell off in the second half apart from a few games (the two-goal game in Boston stands out the most). But it should also be said that it's harder to produce when you get yo-yoed all around the lineup, with revolving linemates and in and out of the top six.

CapFriendly rolled its years; now showing 24-25 as the first year. Flyers are at the top of the list with only 19 of 23 slots filled...AND WE ARE REBUILDING! It is like death by paper cuts. Who on that roster right now is a bargain (excluding ELCs). TK? Not next year; Frost? Tortorella hates him...
- mr4tno

The Flyers have a LOT of contracts coming off the cap next summer, plus whatever the cap increase will minus. I would expect overages taking a little off the amount of space.

Just another in a long line of Flyer multi million dollar failures. Will be curious to see how Tippett responds this year and to a lesser extend Seeler). Flyers need to add a "mental toughness" aspect to their drafting evaluation, because almost to a man they lack it.
- mr4tno

I don't get some of the Farabee hate. Even with his slumps he still set career highs in goals, assists, and points. He is only 24. He was picked 14th and has the 6th most points in his draft class.

He may be overpaid but not by a lot, and after his neck injury he has improved a ton. His cap hit says he should be a 60 point player so lets see if he keeps improving next season. Mostly his consistency.

Now, if they get a great trade offer for him I would deal him , but I would need a 1st round pick or a good slightly younger prospect and a pick.

Farabee was remarkably consistent -- and productive -- throughout the first half of the season, right up to the All-Star break. For whatever reason, he fell off in the second half apart from a few games (the two-goal game in Boston stands out the most). But it should also be said that it's harder to produce when you get yo-yoed all around the lineup, with revolving linemates and in and out of the top six.
- bmeltzer

Do you think he is traded?

Playoff experience is not an urgent factor right now. Build a quality team and that will take care of itself.
- MJL

You have to wonder if that miracle run the Flyers had in 2010 also colors their vision. A poorly constructed team who made it in on the last day of the season and went to the Finals. The definition of a Cinderella story that they've possibly tried to recapture rather than build a solid foundation for sustained success.

It irks me that the Montreal series win even counts as a playoff series. Only in a Covid world. What were they 11th/12th best in the conference at the time?

Question for the board. Would konecny have more trade value this summer or at the deadline assuming he has a similar year?

My guess would be at the deadline if they can get multiple teams interested.

Curious, what was poorly constructed about the '10 team 3rd pair D was weak, but fhe top 4 was excellent. Center depth was fine. I do wonder what would have happened if Emery's hip did not implode.

Unfortunate that Pronger sustained a career ending injury. I believe he would have aged gracefully like Chara. I see a similar career arc for Hedman playing very well into his late 30s.

Once Richards and Carter were traded that was the end of that run. The Flyers got back good pieces but giving up 2 top 6 centers in their primes was a blow.

It irks me that the Montreal series win even counts as a playoff series. Only in a Covid world. What were they 11th/12th best in the conference at the time?

Question for the board. Would konecny have more trade value this summer or at the deadline assuming he has a similar year?

My guess would be at the deadline if they can get multiple teams interested.
- Just5

My opinion is the summer because the team trading for him would have an entire year with him and the ability to negotiate a contract. Plus there would be more teams in the market for him rather than a select few playoff teams at the deadline. Teams looking to add that piece to become a playoff team. And I also think trading him in the summer opens up better possibilities to get higher ranked draft picks from teams that may not finish so high in the standings. Most deadline 1sts are usually going to be in the mid to late 20's

Farabee was remarkably consistent -- and productive -- throughout the first half of the season, right up to the All-Star break. For whatever reason, he fell off in the second half apart from a few games (the two-goal game in Boston stands out the most). But it should also be said that it's harder to produce when you get yo-yoed all around the lineup, with revolving linemates and in and out of the top six.
- bmeltzer

Hi Bill. Does your gut tell you the Flyers trade one of either Frost or Farabee? Who would you rather move and who do you think the Flyers will actually move?

Assuming one had to go of course. I wouldn’t be in favor of moving either player.

You have to wonder if that miracle run the Flyers had in 2010 also colors their vision. A poorly constructed team who made it in on the last day of the season and went to the Finals. The definition of a Cinderella story that they've possibly tried to recapture rather than build a solid foundation for sustained success.
- Flyers_01

That 2010 team was picked by many in the preseason to go very far in the playoffs.

You have to wonder if that miracle run the Flyers had in 2010 also colors their vision. A poorly constructed team who made it in on the last day of the season and went to the Finals. The definition of a Cinderella story that they've possibly tried to recapture rather than build a solid foundation for sustained success.
- Flyers_01

I don't think I agree that the 2010 team was poorly constructed. They just underachieved in the regular season. Unless you're just considering in net. There is no doubt though in my mind that the Flyers have a make the playoffs and see what happens approach.

Farabee was remarkably consistent -- and productive -- throughout the first half of the season, right up to the All-Star break. For whatever reason, he fell off in the second half apart from a few games (the two-goal game in Boston stands out the most). But it should also be said that it's harder to produce when you get yo-yoed all around the lineup, with revolving linemates and in and out of the top six.
- bmeltzer

Amen. His talent and work ethic are not in question. If given consistent opportunity and good coaching, he has all the tools to be a true NHL top 6 for years to come.

I don't get some of the Farabee hate. Even with his slumps he still set career highs in goals, assists, and points. He is only 24. He was picked 14th and has the 6th most points in his draft class.

He may be overpaid but not by a lot, and after his neck injury he has improved a ton. His cap hit says he should be a 60 point player so lets see if he keeps improving next season. Mostly his consistency.

Now, if they get a great trade offer for him I would deal him , but I would need a 1st round pick or a good slightly younger prospect and a pick.
- MBFlyerfan

joel is a solid player. he now has 5 nhl seasons under his belt. How much more potential/improvement is there still to tap?

Curious, what was poorly constructed about the '10 team 3rd pair D was weak, but fhe top 4 was excellent. Center depth was fine. I do wonder what would have happened if Emery's hip did not implode.

Unfortunate that Pronger sustained a career ending injury. I believe he would have aged gracefully like Chara. I see a similar career arc for Hedman playing very well into his late 30s.

Once Richards and Carter were traded that was the end of that run. The Flyers got back good pieces but giving up 2 top 6 centers in their primes was a blow.
- Trox88

the entire season and playoff seedings would have looked very different.

joel is a solid player. he now has 5 nhl seasons under his belt. How much more potential/improvement is there still to tap?
- hello it's me 2050

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Seems like the Montreal fan base thinks highly of Joel. Only Flyers fans don’t appreciate him.

joel is a solid player. he now has 5 nhl seasons under his belt. How much more potential/improvement is there still to tap?
- hello it's me 2050

Players usually peak around 27ish. So there’s still a little room for growth. Plus, not just Farabee but other Flyers wingers would see a bump if they had a legit top center to play with and a legit #1D to prevent long shifts in the D-zone, start breakouts with a smart first pass, and who excels in transition.