You should definitely write that one down. That way, when Montreal puts forth an excellent effort against an SCF finalist years from now, you can pull it out, dust it off, and remind everyone that it's possible to have a great team even if they don't go past round 1.
- --Lamp--

In 2011, Habs lost in the first round to the Boston Bruins, who ended up winning the Stanley cup.

in 2012, a very similar roster finished in the bottom 3 in the league.

So yeah.....

just go with Toronto had a vastly better playoff run than Tampa did.
- Fredo

Tampa's playoff run this year will go down in history as one of the worst, if not the actual worst, playoff runs in professional sports (factoring in expectations and their regular season record) Yes, ours was quite a bit better than theirs. Hard to imagine anyone not being able to see that.

Montreal lost in OT game 7 against Stanley cup winning Boston in 2011 round 1. Equivalent of almost winning the Stanley cup.
- BashCH

Damn you Bash!

Damn you Bash!
- Scabeh

Too slow motha(frank)a...

Montreal lost in OT game 7 against Stanley cup winning Boston in 2011 round 1. Equivalent of almost winning the Stanley cup.
- BashCH

if they played hard technically they're actually the 2011 cup champs.

In 2011, Habs lost in the first round to the Boston Bruins, who ended up winning the Stanley cup.

in 2012, a very similar roster finished in the bottom 3 in the league.

So yeah.....
- Scabeh

Exactly. The 2011 Habs should definitely consider that run to be successful. Excellent performance against the eventual SCF winners. The idea that they didn't make it past round 1, therefore "we suck", is pretty silly.

Exactly. The 2011 Habs should definitely consider that run to be successful. Excellent performance against the eventual SCF winners. The idea that they didn't make it past round 1, therefore "we suck", is pretty silly.
- --Lamp--

I guess we have different standards of "success" in Montreal.

Exactly. The 2011 Habs should definitely consider that run to be successful. Excellent performance against the eventual SCF winners. The idea that they didn't make it past round 1, therefore "we suck", is pretty silly.
- --Lamp--

Lots of reasons why the Leafs suck, not just this year's post season....

I need to make this fit.

Lots of reasons why the Leafs suck, not just this year's post season....
- obie

I need to make this fit.
- Scabeh

that's what she said!

- kicksave856

lol

that's what she said!
- kicksave856

Nice.

I guess we have different standards of "success" in Montreal.
- Scabeh

it varies, which century are you talking about?

it varies, which century are you talking about?
- Fredo

All of them.

Don't remember a run ending in the first round that was considered a "success".

All of them.

Don't remember a run ending in the first round that was considered a "success".
- Scabeh

Really? It happens all the time. If a #8 seed plays a #1 seed, and takes a team that is expected to be much better than they are to 7 games, it's very common for everyone to say "wow, Kudos to the #8 seed. They played well and did better than everyone expected them to do. They have a bright future".

You wouldn't call that success for the #8 seed? We do it all the time.

Really? It happens all the time. If a #8 seed plays a #1 seed, and takes a team that is expected to be much better than they are to 7 games, it's very common for everyone to say "wow, Kudos to the #8 seed. They played well and did better than everyone expected them to do. They have a bright future".

You wouldn't call that success for the #8 seed? We do it all the time.
- --Lamp--

Again. Different standards.

Sure they might have played well, but if your goal is to win, getting eliminated in the first round cannot be seen as successful.

Really? It happens all the time. If a #8 seed plays a #1 seed, and takes a team that is expected to be much better than they are to 7 games, it's very common for everyone to say "wow, Kudos to the #8 seed. They played well and did better than everyone expected them to do. They have a bright future".

You wouldn't call that success for the #8 seed? We do it all the time.
- --Lamp--

So the trick is to get the Leafs the 8th seed.....

that's what she said!
- kicksave856

Again. Different standards.

Sure they might have played well, but if your goal is to win, getting eliminated in the first round cannot be seen as successful.
- Scabeh

Do you think Boston did well this year? They didn't "win"; they were eliminated.

If the standard is SCF or bust, then 30 teams sucked. That's a legitimate bar for someone to hold--and I definitely hope the Leafs win a cup--but I prefer to look at the actual performance of the team before I deem them a failure, rather than a lazy "how many rounds did you go" metric.

So the trick is to get the Leafs the 8th seed.....
- Mashadar

The trick is for the Leafs to get better than Boston. They're close. Actually, I think this year they might be there with the extra experience of the young forwards and also the recent moves we made which seem net-positive.

Do you think Boston did well this year? They didn't "win"; they were eliminated.

If the standard is SCF or bust, then 30 teams sucked. That's a legitimate bar for someone to hold--and I definitely hope the Leafs win a cup--but I prefer to look at the actual performance of the team before I deem them a failure, rather than a lazy "how many rounds did you go" metric.
- --Lamp--

Boston went to the SCF. You can call that a good run.

Going to the ECF, sure, I can see it as a good run.

Making it to the 2nd round, for alot of teams, sure, could be seen as positive or progress for a team that didn't expect to go this far.

Losing in the first round? in 7 games? You didn't win anything. You didn't accomplish anything. You can tell yourself your team gave it his all and came close but it simply cannot be viewed as a success in my book. Especially not for a team like the Leafs who were aiming for much higher.

Exactly. The 2011 Habs should definitely consider that run to be successful. Excellent performance against the eventual SCF winners. The idea that they didn't make it past round 1, therefore "we suck", is pretty silly.
- --Lamp--

Something about your comments...silly would be the polite way somebody would refer them...other people, even Leaf fans might be a bit more harsh

Boston went to the SCF. You can call that a good run.

Going to the ECF, sure, I can see it as a good run.

Making it to the 2nd round, for alot of teams, sure, could be seen as positive or progress for a team that didn't expect to go this far.

Losing in the first round? in 7 games? You didn't win anything. You didn't accomplish anything. You can tell yourself your team gave it his all and came close but it simply cannot be viewed as a success in my book. Especially not for a team like the Leafs who were aiming for much higher.
- Scabeh

Yeah, I guess we're just back to disagreeing on how to measure a good run. I think the context depends on who you're playing, and how you played. If the Leafs ran into Carolina in the first round and lost in 5 games, I would be unhappy with that run. But they didn't.. they ran into Boston and took them down to the wire.

No question I hoped for better, but for me, it wasn't a total failure. They put up a good fight against a solid team--a team who had a better regular season record, more experience, and was generally expected to beat the Leafs. I would have liked more, but I can't say that my team sucked in the playoffs this year--had they put in that kind of effort against nearly any other team in the playoffs, they likely would have advanced. Ce la vie.

- kicksave856

Wasn't until Obie replied I noticed the Tide Pods. Awesome. Nothing like a company spending crazy r and d money on a new product only to spend every ad for two years begging people not to let their kids eat them