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Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: God Leafs Satan The Oneness, ON
Joined: 02.28.2011

Oct 8 @ 10:59 AM ET
Well, we have two indoor cats that are the first priority. One is 15 and on meds. We have a feral colony that we tend to and that's about ten total with a couple of occasional stragglers. All of them have been TNVR'ed (trapped, neutered, vaxxed, and released). One of them is elderly. We are going to bring them all into a safe area we made for them in the garage.

I'm not gonna lie, I'm nervous about this one. We'll be watching the track carefully with clenched buttholes. Katrina was scary AF, but a last minute course nudge put us just outside the catastrophic damage zone. If Milton goes on the current track, it will make landfall about 30-40 miles south of here near Sarasota. If it does, we should be OK. Power might be out for days or weeks. Tampa as a whole will be (frank)ed by storm surge, but we are well outside that zone.

Today is calm, the weather will start to go south late overnight and into tomorrow morning. It won't get nasty and scary until overnight wednesday into thursday morning.

After the storm passes, cell towers will probably be knocked down, so I might go quiet for a little while, but I'll check in to continue annoying everyone if I'm still alive.

- GalacticStone


That's awesome that you do that for the feral kitties. I'll send a prayer your way.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Oct 8 @ 10:59 AM ET
Glad I went to the Keys and Sanibel Island when I could.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Oct 8 @ 10:59 AM ET
I'm just gonna assume he wants to be the highest paid on the team, and Panarin makes $11.6M.

So somewhere between that and $12M is likely his ask.

But man, that's a lot for a goalie.

- GreatGigInTheSky

Is it, though?

Not a lot of Stanley Cup winners without top-notch goaltenders. There's an easy case to be made that it's the most important position on a team.

Put another way, why shouldn't the goalie be the highest paid?
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Oct 8 @ 11:00 AM ET
That's awesome that you do that for the feral kitties. I'll send a prayer your way.
- Zezel

I'm raising a feral daughter - where's my praise?
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Oct 8 @ 11:06 AM ET
Kevin Weekes
@KevinWeekes
·
8m
**Breaking News** 🚨 📰
I’m told the Stanley Cup contending & cap spending
@NYRangers
offer of $88M / 11M AAV has been rejected by G Shesterkin.
Igor has rejected the highest Goalie contract in
@NHL
history from #NYR . #HockeyX

_______________________________

Whoa. What more could he possibly want?

- GreatGigInTheSky


good
gravyface
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I wouldn't even trade [Marner] for McDavid -- UsernameUnknown
Joined: 02.19.2009

Oct 8 @ 11:09 AM ET
How is Dallas' D "Tier 2" and Leafs are "Tier 4"?

Dumba and Boosh in the top 4? Really?

https://www.nytimes.com/a...hl-defense-rankings-2024/
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Oct 8 @ 11:14 AM ET
How is Dallas' D "Tier 2" and Leafs are "Tier 4"?

Dumba and Boosh in the top 4? Really?

https://www.nytimes.com/a...hl-defense-rankings-2024/

- gravyface


prob a lot weight given to a top tier #1 d like Miro H.

but if we were doing a draft of Leafs and Dallas Dmen, my first 2 picks would be Hieskanen and Harley.

would have been Tanev, but age
gravyface
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I wouldn't even trade [Marner] for McDavid -- UsernameUnknown
Joined: 02.19.2009

Oct 8 @ 11:16 AM ET
prob a lot weight given to a top tier #1 d like Miro H.

but if we were doing a draft of Leafs and Dallas Dmen, my first 2 picks would be Hieskanen and Harley.

would have been Tanev, but age

- senstroll


I'd take Miro over Rielly or Tanev, but not Dumba over either of those... and Boosh. El Oh El.

I know why, it's the Anti-Homer answer: MSM can't be caught dead spinning any positive Leafs news, makes them look bad with their friends.
Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: God Leafs Satan The Oneness, ON
Joined: 02.28.2011

Oct 8 @ 11:17 AM ET
I'm raising a feral daughter - where's my praise?
- Atomic Wedgie



Honestly the more I hang with my young nieces the more I think if I was a parent I'd have them microchipped.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Oct 8 @ 11:18 AM ET
I'd take Miro over Rielly or Tanev, but not Dumba over either of those... and Boosh. El Oh El.
- gravyface

Isn't their top-4

Heiskanen-Lindell
Harley-Dumba

? Why is Boosh in their top-4? Is Keefe coaching Dallas?
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Oct 8 @ 11:18 AM ET


Honestly the more I hang with my young nieces the more I think if I was a parent I'd have them microchipped.

- Zezel

Tracking their Apple phones is the exact same thing.
gravyface
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I wouldn't even trade [Marner] for McDavid -- UsernameUnknown
Joined: 02.19.2009

Oct 8 @ 11:19 AM ET
Isn't their top-4

Heiskanen-Lindell
Harley-Dumba

? Why is Boosh in their top-4? Is Keefe coaching Dallas?

- AdamFrench


Dunno, this is what they had:

Dallas Stars

Miro Heiskanen–Matt Dumba
Thomas Harley–Ilya Lyubushkin
Esa Lindell–Nils Lundkvist
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Oct 8 @ 11:24 AM ET
Is it, though?

Not a lot of Stanley Cup winners without top-notch goaltenders. There's an easy case to be made that it's the most important position on a team.

Put another way, why shouldn't the goalie be the highest paid?

- Atomic Wedgie


I heard this on the radio. Similar thought that goalies were starting to look around the league and see guys making 13 million and be like "Am I not as important to the team as that guy?"
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Oct 8 @ 11:30 AM ET
Dunno, this is what they had:

Dallas Stars

Miro Heiskanen–Matt Dumba
Thomas Harley–Ilya Lyubushkin
Esa Lindell–Nils Lundkvist

- gravyface


Well that either makes one very talented defenseman with a bad one and a solid third pair or a solid top 4 and a "meh" third pair.

Either way, they still deserve a much higher ranking than the Leafs imho.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Oct 8 @ 11:30 AM ET
Is it, though?

Not a lot of Stanley Cup winners without top-notch goaltenders. There's an easy case to be made that it's the most important position on a team.

Put another way, why shouldn't the goalie be the highest paid?

- Atomic Wedgie

I think this is the mentality that goalies and their agents are pushing. If star forwards and D get big cash why not star goalies?
Hard to disagree with, specially with the cap going up.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Oct 8 @ 11:32 AM ET
I heard this on the radio. Similar thought that goalies were starting to look around the league and see guys making 13 million and be like "Am I not as important to the team as that guy?"
- Aaron_85


I made a similar argument in the Habs 2021 run to the Stanley Cup final.

After years of people saying Price and his 10M salary were not helping.... it was hard not to consider him the MVP after 3 rounds... sounded like money well spent to me.

You can make a similar case with Bobrovsky for the Panthers last two runs. His impact on the team was just as big as a good 10M forward that'd be producing.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Oct 8 @ 11:32 AM ET
How is Dallas' D "Tier 2" and Leafs are "Tier 4"?

Dumba and Boosh in the top 4? Really?

https://www.nytimes.com/a...hl-defense-rankings-2024/

- gravyface

Probably due to their top 3 dmen maybe.
They are pretty damn good.
But who knows with these things
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Oct 8 @ 11:34 AM ET
Dunno, this is what they had:

Dallas Stars

Miro Heiskanen–Matt Dumba
Thomas Harley–Ilya Lyubushkin
Esa Lindell–Nils Lundkvist

- gravyface

I would have thought their top 3 would be miro, thomas and esa
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Oct 8 @ 11:40 AM ET
I think this is the mentality that goalies and their agents are pushing. If star forwards and D get big cash why not star goalies?
Hard to disagree with, soecially with the cap going up.

- Fakepartofme

After the comments from Swayman about "resetting" the goalie market as a 25 year old who hasn't started over 40 games in his career getting 8.25 to be the 4th highest paid goalie...you have to figure that Igor at 28 with 1 Vezina, a Hart finalist, always starts 50+ games all the time and in the playoffs

44gp 2.41GAA .928 sv%

that he can ACTUALLY change the goalie market.
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Oct 8 @ 11:58 AM ET
I'm just gonna assume he wants to be the highest paid on the team, and Panarin makes $11.6M.

So somewhere between that and $12M is likely his ask.

But man, that's a lot for a goalie.

- GreatGigInTheSky


I see a lot of people saying the, "That's a lot for a goalie!".

There are maybe four proven consistent NHL starters right now - Shesterkin, Sorokin, Hellebuyck and Saros. There are arguments for Swayman, Ullmark, Vasilevskiy and even Demko and Markstrom - but over the past four years, those four guys stand out. I'll give Ullmark his due props if he can do in Ottawa what he did in Boston.

You'll get those people who love to chirp, "And how many cups have they won?"

I've always felt it was a rather unfair question. Would Mats Sundin not have made most teams better? He never won a cup. Did the Leafs fail to win a cup because of Sundin or because of the depth around him? They were a solid team that needed a few more pieces. One piece that really drove a bunch of the later 90's and early 2000's before the lockout was a franchise defenseman or a goalie who made one unnecessary.

20 years later and the general feeling from people is that the goalie is the least necessary part of the team now, and yet Florida got where they did because of Bobrovsky elevating his game. I mean these are the best goaltending performances in the playoffs in the last 6 years (min. 15 games):

Shesterkin in 21-22 had a GSAx/60 of 1.18
Bobrovsky in 22-23 had a GSAx/60 of 1
Shesterkin in 23-24 had a GSAx/60 of 0.94
Hill in 22-23 had a GSAx/60 of 0.86
Vasilevskiy in 20-21 had a GSAx/60 of 0.75

Rask in 18-19 had a GSAx/60 of 0.5
Vasilevskiy in 19-20 had a GSAx/60 of 0.48
Khudobin in 19-20 had a GSAx/60 of 0.41
Vasilevskiy in 21-22 had a GSAx/60 of 0.41
Fleury in 20-21 had a GSAx/60 of 0.36
Bobrovsky in 23-24 had a GSAx/60 of 0.33

You have 4 cup winning performances and 2 of the best were Shesterkin - it's not his fault the Rangers didn't go further.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Oct 8 @ 12:24 PM ET
Heard a Lili for Schenn trade suggestion.
Meh, saves $250 g's on the cap.
Not sure its what we need though
Specially cap wise
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Oct 8 @ 12:24 PM ET
. . .
Vasilevskiy in 21-22 had a GSAx/60 of 0.41
Fleury in 20-21 had a GSAx/60 of 0.36
Bobrovsky in 23-24 had a GSAx/60 of 0.33 . . .


- Monkeypunk


For our resident Habs fans it's only fair to mention that Carey Price in 2020-21 had a GSAx/60 of 0.33 as well - he was sorted out by Bob because Bob played 24 games last year and Price played 22.
Cush29
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Who Owzzzzz da' Chiefs?, ON
Joined: 12.22.2014

Oct 8 @ 12:26 PM ET
Kevin Weekes
@KevinWeekes
·
8m
**Breaking News** 🚨 📰
I’m told the Stanley Cup contending & cap spending
@NYRangers
offer of $88M / 11M AAV has been rejected by G Shesterkin.
Igor has rejected the highest Goalie contract in
@NHL
history from #NYR . #HockeyX

_______________________________

Whoa. What more could he possibly want?

- GreatGigInTheSky


I LOVE this.


The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Oct 8 @ 12:26 PM ET
I see a lot of people saying the, "That's a lot for a goalie!".

There are maybe four proven consistent NHL starters right now - Shesterkin, Sorokin, Hellebuyck and Saros. There are arguments for Swayman, Ullmark, Vasilevskiy and even Demko and Markstrom - but over the past four years, those four guys stand out. I'll give Ullmark his due props if he can do in Ottawa what he did in Boston.

You'll get those people who love to chirp, "And how many cups have they won?"

I've always felt it was a rather unfair question. Would Mats Sundin not have made most teams better? He never won a cup. Did the Leafs fail to win a cup because of Sundin or because of the depth around him? They were a solid team that needed a few more pieces. One piece that really drove a bunch of the later 90's and early 2000's before the lockout was a franchise defenseman or a goalie who made one unnecessary.

20 years later and the general feeling from people is that the goalie is the least necessary part of the team now, and yet Florida got where they did because of Bobrovsky elevating his game. I mean these are the best goaltending performances in the playoffs in the last 6 years (min. 15 games):

Shesterkin in 21-22 had a GSAx/60 of 1.18
Bobrovsky in 22-23 had a GSAx/60 of 1
Shesterkin in 23-24 had a GSAx/60 of 0.94
Hill in 22-23 had a GSAx/60 of 0.86
Vasilevskiy in 20-21 had a GSAx/60 of 0.75

Rask in 18-19 had a GSAx/60 of 0.5
Vasilevskiy in 19-20 had a GSAx/60 of 0.48
Khudobin in 19-20 had a GSAx/60 of 0.41
Vasilevskiy in 21-22 had a GSAx/60 of 0.41
Fleury in 20-21 had a GSAx/60 of 0.36
Bobrovsky in 23-24 had a GSAx/60 of 0.33

You have 4 cup winning performances and 2 of the best were Shesterkin - it's not his fault the Rangers didn't go further.

- Monkeypunk


Vasi's 9.5 is inflated to about 11 next summer. That's probably a starting point. Maybe a little NYC (high tax) variable in play too. He could probably demand 12.5M and argue he's still getting less than Vasi.

Tough issues for the NHL.
Cush29
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Who Owzzzzz da' Chiefs?, ON
Joined: 12.22.2014

Oct 8 @ 12:32 PM ET
I heard this on the radio. Similar thought that goalies were starting to look around the league and see guys making 13 million and be like "Am I not as important to the team as that guy?"
- Aaron_85


I'm not supposed to tell you non-goalies this but it was a directive from the goalie union.

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